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D&D 3E/3.5 [3.5] Threat ranges no longer stack!

hong

WotC's bitch
Pax said:

Yes, I think that ENWorld is fairly representative of the D&D community as a whole;

You think too highly of yourself.

and since the majority of that representative group holds a negative opinion of this change (and others), I feelit is safe to say, the majority of gamers will not receive this change well.

That's because people don't like their toys being taken away from them.

I have never, before now, heard anyone COMPLAIN about such broad threat ranges; the response has always been "yep, and a lot of stuff out thereis plain immune to crits".

If there were no complaints, there would be no need for such responses.

As of 3.5e, I will NOT be welcome, in a default-rules game, to choose any such thing.

There is no such thing as a "default-rules" game. Everybody has house rules, and I've got no doubt even in 3.5E this will remain the case. Unless you play Living Greyhawk or something similar, but from all reports LG is a travesty of D&D, so that's your problem.
 

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hong

WotC's bitch
Mike Sullivan said:

So, sure, you aren't going to ruin the playability of a character by using a greataxe. On the other hand, since there's literally NO advantage to it, however minimal, it just bugs me that there is that slight disadvantage.

Truly, it is amazing how people can create 200-post threads over slight disadvantages.

And because the medium and small-sized axes and swords have identical damage dice, it bothers me on an aesthetic level that the size large versions are different.

Not to mention aesthetic disadvantages.


Hong "not wearing pants, and damn the aesthetics" Ooi
 

Pax

Banned
Banned
hong said:
You think too highly of yourself.

Do you even understand what it means, when I say "I think teh ENWorld community is a reasonably representative slice of the D&D playerbase as a whole" ... ?

I don't "think too highly" of anyone; I simply think ENWorlders are, by and large, average gamers ... that we are no different from most OTHER gamers out there. And so, it is reasonable and logical to extend percentages observed here, to the wider community.

That, btw, is how things like gallup polls owrk; when they say X percent of americans like Y thing, you don't think they actually called EVERY american, do you?

No; they asked a randomly-selected, small group, which was deemed to be representative of the average of the whole.

That's because people don't like their toys being taken away from them.

Funny; I don't tend to play fighters ata ll (I strongly prefer sorcerors), so crit-stacking doesn't take any of MY toys away ... and I'm still upset by the nonsensical change to somethign which didn't NEED it.


If there were no complaints, there would be no need for such responses.

Actually, there weren't complaints, there were brags -- "I can get a threat range of BLAH BLAH BLAH hugeness" ... "yeah, so what, there're a lot of crit-immune baddies out there".

There is no such thing as a "default-rules" game.

Yes there is -- the Core Rulebooks.

Everybody has house rules,

Not universally true; I've played with GMs who were great at making cscenarios, but were REAL stick-in-the-mud types, literal core rules only nothign but exactly as the book says sorts of people.

and I've got no doubt even in 3.5E this will remain the case. Unless you play Living Greyhawk or something similar, but from all reports LG is a travesty of D&D, so that's your problem.

Andy is creating MORE things for me to houserule, that didn't need houserules before. IOW, more work for me ... without fixing anythign BROKEN at all.

Tell me where it says I shoudl just bend over and ENJOY that.
 

hong

WotC's bitch
Pax said:


Do you even understand what it means, when I say "I think teh ENWorld community is a reasonably representative slice of the D&D playerbase as a whole" ... ?

Yes, and your belief is highly dubious.


No; they asked a randomly-selected, small group, which was deemed to be representative of the average of the whole.

Please not to confuse a self-selected sample of overly opinionated, argumentative, net-savvy posters with a true random sample of the gamer community. Trust me, I'm a statistician.

Funny; I don't tend to play fighters ata ll (I strongly prefer sorcerors), so crit-stacking doesn't take any of MY toys away ... and I'm still upset by the nonsensical change to somethign which didn't NEED it.

So don't get upset. It makes an ass out of you and... oh, sorry, that's "assumed".

Actually, there weren't complaints, there were brags -- "I can get a threat range of BLAH BLAH BLAH hugeness" ... "yeah, so what, there're a lot of crit-immune baddies out there".

For every braggart, there is a corresponding whinger (the other guys in the game, if noone else). So there won't be brags any more. Isn't this a good thing?

Yes there is -- the Core Rulebooks.

Tell me when a bunch of typeset paragraphs combined with artwork of random quality made for a game.


Not universally true; I've played with GMs who were great at making cscenarios, but were REAL stick-in-the-mud types, literal core rules only nothign but exactly as the book says sorts of people.

These GMs are truly incompetent. Get out of the game, and save yourself the hassle.

Andy is creating MORE things for me to houserule, that didn't need houserules before. IOW, more work for me ... without fixing anythign BROKEN at all.

Behold, I will do your work for you, because I'm just such a NICE GUY.

"In my game, threat range specials will stack, just like in 3E".

You can pay me later. I accept Paypal.

Tell me where it says I shoudl just bend over and ENJOY that.

Well, if all you want to do is vent, I'm going to vent too! Isn't this fun? We can all do it together!



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Mike Sullivan

First Post
hong said:


Truly, it is amazing how people can create 200-post threads over slight disadvantages.

Well, being bored at work might have something to do with it, too. :p

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not in the "I hope that Andy Collins gets crabs" crowd. Okay, so some of the changes in 3.5 don't thrill me. Everyone will live.

But hey, if the internet isn't here for people to whine and bitch about every little thing, what's the point? I mean, EN World doesn't allow porn...
 


Darklone

Registered User
Naked kobolds? ;)

Waaah,... monday morning and Pax is ARGUING with hong (oih!) ...

What a day!

PS: Hong, where's that from? The latinwhateverstuff.
 



WizarDru

Adventurer
Grog said:
The player is supposed to have fun - period. D&D is a game, and the goal of everyone involved is to have fun.

Quite true...but you'd think everyone had forgotten that lately on the EN boards, judging by the current mood.
 

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