Spelljammer [Spelljammer] Illithid to Remain "100% bad guys" -- Neogi maybe not?

[Reynard]

I'm just super-ready for less omni-present slavery in D&D.

Slavery is omni-present in D&D? News to me.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Slavery is omni-present in D&D? News to me.

Like most bad guys species are slavers, most others have a variant that are slavers. Slavery is the vast majority and the default in D&D land because there's apparently no other way to show you're evil besides owning others and maybe cannibalism. Except all the cannibals' are either lone weirdos or... drumroll... slavers!

You can't swing a dead displacer beast without hitting a slaver, slave or former slave race and I'm okay with the slave hose being dialed down a bit.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Slavery is omni-present in D&D? News to me.

Not omni-present, but an established bad guy activity practiced by many cultures. Removing it seems ridiculously ham-fisted to me.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

The Neogi are still slavers. Their Monsters of the Multiverse entry makes that clear even if the word Slavery is not used outside their ability.

Mords quote in the book even "Only the malevolent or the desperate do business with neogi. I generally advise against working with beings who view you as property or prey."

 

[Reynard]

Like most bad guys species are slavers, most others have a variant that are slavers. Slavery is the vast majority and the default in D&D land because there's apparently no other way to show you're evil besides owning others and maybe cannibalism. Except all the cannibals' are either lone weirdos or... drumroll... slavers!

You can't swing a dead displacer beast without hitting a slaver, slave or former slave race and I'm okay with the slave hose being dialed down a bit.

I guess I have never really noticed, probably because I don't use or care about D&D default "lore."

 

[Mind of tempest]

Like most bad guys species are slavers, most others have a variant that are slavers. Slavery is the vast majority and the default in D&D land because there's apparently no other way to show you're evil besides owning others and maybe cannibalism. Except all the cannibals' are either lone weirdos or... drumroll... slavers!

You can't swing a dead displacer beast without hitting a slaver, slave or former slave race and I'm okay with the slave hose being dialed down a bit.

well what else can they do that is evil that does not take three paragraphs to explain?
the image of the baby neogi for completness

 

[Vaalingrade]

well what else can they do that is evil that does not take three paragraphs to explain?

... Take three paragraphs to explain?

the image of the baby neogi for completness
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Of show this. Ugly = Evil in D&D land after all. God, show that and say it grows up into the 5e halfling image.

Then burn my eyes out, please.

 

[Mind of tempest]

... Take three paragraphs to explain?

Of show this. Ugly = Evil in D&D land after all. God, show that and say it grows up into the 5e halfling image.

Then burn my eyes out, please.

ugly equal evil is not only a dnd thing it is near omnipresent in earth media.

Do you find the halfling that bad? honestly, it does not beak my top fifty and the top ten are the stuff of nightmares.

 

[Argyle King]

I'd say it's the Mercane or Dohwar that fit into that mold.

Could be. I'm not that familiar with Spelljammer.

Most of what I know about the Neogri comes from 3.5 Lords of Madness.

 

[Mind of tempest]

Could be. I'm not that familiar with Spelljammer.

Most of what I know about the Neogri comes from 3.5 Lords of Madness.

the mercane sell stuff like spelljamming helms to anyone for the right price.