Xeviat
Hero
Hi everyone! Last week, I posted a thread on whether or not people would prefer if the classes were shifted to all long rest recovery or "all" short rest recovery. I made a big mistake in my polling, and really should have said "more" short rest recovery, but oh well. It's been coming in at around 1/3rd preferring more short rest recovery, but the discussion has been interesting.
For several reasons, I want to explore the short rest recovery system a bit more. Basically, what would the game be like if the Bard, Cleric, Druid, Paladin, Ranger, Sorcerer, and Wizard, as well as the Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster, used the Warlock chassis rather than the long rest chassis that they do now? One of the parts that I'm looking forward to such a change, aside from putting all the classes on even rest progression, is reducing the nova capability of the classes.
But, one observation I've had from seeing warlocks run through a lot of level 1-10 games is that 2 spell slots is really not that much. The long rest casters get up to 3 slots per spell level rather quickly, and thus can afford to use 1 spell of each level per short rest, assuming 2 short rests, if they're trying to spread things out.
At the same time, I've always wanted to switch over to a Spell Point system. So, here's my idea for a new caster chassis:
Spell Points would be recovered on a short rest. Spell points would be used to cast spells using the spell point formula in the DMG:
1st: 2 sp
2nd: 3 sp
3rd: 5 sp
4th: 6 sp
5th: 7 sp
The spell slots would be recovered on a long rest. Only the full caster classes would gain these slots, so not Paladin or Ranger. Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster would grow at a slightly slower progression (ending at caster level 14 at level 20), since they grow at 1/3rd and this is a 1/2 progression, so they get 2/3rds (rounded up to 14).
Aside from level 2, where the Warlock normally has a huge lead in spell slots over the base casters anyway, it's staying within 15% of the total SP, and it averages to 101% if you exclude level 1 and 2 (if you include them, it's 104.25%).
Compared to the base warlock, its max spell level for short rest spells is reduced, but they get some long rest slots to compensate. This might have the added benefit of spicing up their spell routines, as they'll have the rare high level spells to use, and might not be relying on the same 2 spells each difficult encounter.
What do you think? Would you give this a try?
Have you run a game with a Celestial Warlock? What does more short rest healing end up doing to the game? I've played a Life Cleric with the Healer feat level 1 through 9 and had access to a ton of short rest healing, and still felt like I needed more healing.
For several reasons, I want to explore the short rest recovery system a bit more. Basically, what would the game be like if the Bard, Cleric, Druid, Paladin, Ranger, Sorcerer, and Wizard, as well as the Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster, used the Warlock chassis rather than the long rest chassis that they do now? One of the parts that I'm looking forward to such a change, aside from putting all the classes on even rest progression, is reducing the nova capability of the classes.
But, one observation I've had from seeing warlocks run through a lot of level 1-10 games is that 2 spell slots is really not that much. The long rest casters get up to 3 slots per spell level rather quickly, and thus can afford to use 1 spell of each level per short rest, assuming 2 short rests, if they're trying to spread things out.
At the same time, I've always wanted to switch over to a Spell Point system. So, here's my idea for a new caster chassis:
| Spell | Spell | Total | Diff | Diff | % Diff | ||||||||||
| Level | Points | Level | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | SP | War | SP | SP |
| 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | -2 | 0 | 0 | ||||||||
| 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 10 | -2 | +4 | +67 | ||||||||
| 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 16 | -2 | +2 | +14 | |||||||
| 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 19 | +1 | +2 | +12 | |||||||
| 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 27 | -3 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
| 6 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 30 | 0 | -2 | -10 | ||||||
| 7 | 7 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 39 | +3 | +1 | +3 | |||||
| 8 | 8 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 42 | +6 | -2 | -5 | |||||
| 9 | 9 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 52 | +10 | -5 | -9 | ||||
| 10 | 10 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 55 | +13 | -9 | -14 | ||||
| 11 | 11 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 67 | -5 | -6 | -8 | |||
| 12 | 12 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 70 | -2 | -3 | -14 | |||
| 13 | 13 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 83 | +1 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 14 | 14 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 86 | +4 | +3 | +4 | ||
| 15 | 15 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 100 | +7 | +6 | +6 | |
| 16 | 16 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 103 | +10 | +9 | +10 | |
| 17 | 17 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 119 | -8 | +12 | +11 |
| 18 | 18 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 122 | -5 | +8 | +7 |
| 19 | 19 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 125 | -2 | +2 | +2 |
| 20 | 20 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 128 | 1 | -5 | -4 |
Spell Points would be recovered on a short rest. Spell points would be used to cast spells using the spell point formula in the DMG:
1st: 2 sp
2nd: 3 sp
3rd: 5 sp
4th: 6 sp
5th: 7 sp
The spell slots would be recovered on a long rest. Only the full caster classes would gain these slots, so not Paladin or Ranger. Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster would grow at a slightly slower progression (ending at caster level 14 at level 20), since they grow at 1/3rd and this is a 1/2 progression, so they get 2/3rds (rounded up to 14).
Aside from level 2, where the Warlock normally has a huge lead in spell slots over the base casters anyway, it's staying within 15% of the total SP, and it averages to 101% if you exclude level 1 and 2 (if you include them, it's 104.25%).
Compared to the base warlock, its max spell level for short rest spells is reduced, but they get some long rest slots to compensate. This might have the added benefit of spicing up their spell routines, as they'll have the rare high level spells to use, and might not be relying on the same 2 spells each difficult encounter.
What do you think? Would you give this a try?
Have you run a game with a Celestial Warlock? What does more short rest healing end up doing to the game? I've played a Life Cleric with the Healer feat level 1 through 9 and had access to a ton of short rest healing, and still felt like I needed more healing.
