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3G: Dungeons & Stereotypes

Let’s face it – stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them. I am a middle-aged man that is overweight, I have a beard, and I play Dungeons & Dragons. I did play D&D in my parents’ basement as a teenager. But those things do not mean I have not had relations with a woman of the female persuasion. I have four kids. And my wife plays D&D. And Magic the Gathering. And she could...

Let’s face it – stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them. I am a middle-aged man that is overweight, I have a beard, and I play Dungeons & Dragons. I did play D&D in my parents’ basement as a teenager. But those things do not mean I have not had relations with a woman of the female persuasion. I have four kids. And my wife plays D&D. And Magic the Gathering. And she could kick your butt at Castlevania back in the day.

So when I see gamer stereotypes portrayed on TV, I have mixed emotions. On the one hand, I’m glad that my favorite pastime is trickling into mainstream America. On the other, I’m frustrated that the stereotypes are being perpetuated, and that most of the portrayals are inaccurate. It’s one thing to make fun of D&D – it’s another to make fun of it while doing it wrong!

They’ve played D&D on Big Bang Theory several times over the years, most recently the episode that aired this past week (“The Love Spell Potential”). They’ve played D&D on Community, and on Freaks and Geeks. In every case, they’ve done something I’ve never seen in any game I’ve ever played – the DM rolls all the dice.

Why? What was the logistical conundrum that made portraying the game accurately such a difficulty? If it’s “all in good fun,” why give an erroneous portrayal? Why they be messin’ with my game???

Honestly, I can’t even begin to imagine why the change was necessary. They’ve got the DM screen; they’ve got the character sheets; they’ve got the dice! How hard is it to show more than one person rolling a d20?

I think part of why I take umbrage is the erroneous implication that rpg players are antisocial. Nothing could be further from the truth – socialization is a requirement to play the game. When the writers show the DM hoarding the dice while the players simply sit and watch, it promotes a false image of an activity that is already steeped in negativity.

I love D&D, and I love to share with those I think can appreciate it. I play online, I play with my local gaming group, and I play with my children. The last thing I want is for my girls to go to school and tell their friends or teachers we play D&D at home, and they think about what they’ve seen on TV. I think D&D is a positive experience, and I don’t want my children teased unduly.

There are a lot of pastimes of which people take a negative view, but I think that attitude is born of ignorance. I can’t fathom people enjoying watching sports – to me, it seems repetitive and devoid of intellectual stimulation. Obviously I’m in the minority, and I recognize that; I consciously try not to judge others based on their fanaticism for sports, just as I wouldn’t want to be judged solely for my love of D&D.

But I don’t see tv programs showing players running the wrong way around a baseball diamond, or carrying the soccer ball down the field, or kicking the football from player to player. I don’t see bowling with the wrong number of pins; I don’t see people playing poker with the wrong number of cards in their hands. Perhaps I’m overly sensitive, and production teams make all kinds of mistakes all the time, and I’ve never noticed – except when they portray people playing D&D.

Maybe it is ignorance of the subject matter, but I would think after seeing all the work that goes into making a television show that they wouldn’t skimp on research for that one element. Heck, you can’t tell me that SOMEBODY involved in making the Big Bang Theory hasn’t played D&D and couldn’t speak up. Surely SOMEBODY knew that the portrayal was wrong, no matter the show. D&D has been portrayed accurately – and with humor – in movies like The Gamers and The Gamers: Dorkness Rising. It can be done, so why won’t television do it?

Freaks and Geeks probably came closest to an accurate portrayal, so maybe I’m just being too sensitive. Perhaps it’s a symptom of my obsession. I WANT people to like D&D, and I can appreciate humor and good-natured ribbing, but I can’t help feeling the scenes I’ve seen give a negative impression of the game. I’m afraid of the negativity at a time when our hobby needs a serious positive boost.

There may be a certain prejudice involved in these portrayals; they’re being done for laughs, but perhaps the assumption is that such a small segment of the audience is actually familiar with D&D, so the actual details don’t matter. You could argue that it’s just the concept of roleplaying that’s being spoofed, but they call it D&D. When Big Bang Theory shows the guys playing cards, they don’t call it Magic the Gathering – it has a made-up name. Are roleplaying games so obscure that the activity can’t be spoofed without spoofing a specific game?

Is anyone aware of a positive portrayal of roleplaying games on tv? Am I wrong in my assumptions? Does it not bother anyone else? I must admit, I feel a bit like an old man shaking his cane at kids yelling, “Keep off my lawn!” Or Chris Crocker crying, “Leave Britney alone!” Leave D&D alone! I don’t want its name besmirched in the mainstream media. I don’t want it ridiculed and derided. I had enough of that in the 80s with Jack Chick.

Which brings me to another point. I heard of a couple of projects planning to turn the Chick tracts into a full-blown movie, and the producers plan to play it all straight. On the one hand, I think it will be hilarious – but then, I KNOW it’s a wildly inaccurate portrayal and the humor stems from the complete ignorance of the author. But the general public doesn’t know that. I fear too many people may take it seriously. Creators need to follow due diligence because the audience won’t. Recently Pat Robertson on the 700 Club made an erroneous reference to D&D – how many of his viewers simply accepted it as fact?

The bottom line is, I appreciate the humor, but I’d appreciate accuracy more. I’ll still watch Big Bang Theory (I only watched Community because of D&D – I don’t enjoy their style of humor), but a teeny tiny part of me died inside when Wolowitz said, “But only the DM rolls the dice.” The dice are for everybody man…everybody gets to roll the dice.
 

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Nagol

Unimportant
I suspect the DM rolling all the dice is like each person eating Chinese takeout out of their own little box. It's not actually how things are done in real life, but the mess and logistics necessary for an accurate portrayal outweigh the value of verisimilitude.
 

Rel

Liquid Awesome
I don't watch most of those shows (my wife and I did start watching Big Bang Theory via Netflix and we're enjoying it) but I've seen clips of some of the examples you cite. I'm sort of on the fence like you are. I like that they are showing D&D as a fun, group activity and not something to hide away. But yeah those inaccuracies stick out like a sore thumb. I don't see how they are adding anything to the humor of the show and they'd be easy to fix. I guess I tend to see a lot of the same inaccuracies with other geek activities too, like when they show the guys playing WoW on BBT. So at least in those moments I don't feel that D&D is being singled out.

All in all though, I guess I'm at least a little pleased that the gaming hobby is getting some exposure in a way that isn't purely negative. It was awfully hard to find those kinds of portrayals a couple decades ago.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Supporter
I've seen RPGs spoofed on shows in which I know writers AND actors played D&D, and they still did things I've never done or seen in person, like dressing up as their characters. Part of what we see may just be stuff those writers or actors actually experienced.

Are roleplaying games so obscure that the activity can’t be spoofed without spoofing a specific game?

It may be a copyright issue.

D&D gets some play due to its age and how much it has permeated the pop culture. Hell, in a sense, its the Kleenex or Xerox of the hobby- its brand name is often used as a synonym for the hobby as a whole. Not so the rest of the games in the hobby, and the copyright holders might want concessions- payment, script reviews, etc.- to use their brand names.

After all, odds are high that if you see a brand name potato chip, soft drink, car, etc., on a show or in a movie, SOMEbody paid for that. (If the show is small, the show probably paid the brand; if the show is huge, the brand probably paid the show.)
 

Shayuri

First Post
Big Bang Theory is often pretty funny, but lets face it...it's not a geek-friendly show. Never has been. Its portrayal of D&D is not out of character compared to its portrayal of most other facets of "geek life." Maybe at the end of the day it gives more mainstream folks a kind of psychological handle to think about geeks more positively...but it's not a show that tries to challenge stereotypes in any way.

And there probably are groups where the DM throws the dice. It strikes me as something a younger-skewed group might do, but...eh. Most non-gamers consider RPGs to be something people normally grow out of, so it's not shocking to see that kind of neoteny, I guess.

A little irksome, agreed, but hey, it's some measure of progress. Check out Mazes & Monsters with Tom Hanks. He goes psycho from playing a roleplaying game, nearly commits suicide and becomes eternally lost in an imaginary reality.

Progress.
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Well, the sequence in question wasn't designed to teach people how to pay D&D. (And, incidentally, the DM didn't roll all the dice - that was just a line early on). They missed out damage rolls, for example. They missed out people spending 20 minutes deciding what to do. They missed out rules arguments. Lots of stuff about D&D got missed out! This was just to speed the plot along; that would not add anything for the average viewer. I felt it portrayed the important thing - a bunch of people having fun - pretty well. They all seemed to be enjoying themselves; it didn't even come across as "too geeky" - I think that if I wasn't a gamer, I'd think "that looks like fun!" when I saw that episode.
 

delericho

Legend
Three threads on "Big Bang Theory"?

In every case, they’ve done something I’ve never seen in any game I’ve ever played – the DM rolls all the dice.

Why? What was the logistical conundrum that made portraying the game accurately such a difficulty? If it’s “all in good fun,” why give an erroneous portrayal? Why they be messin’ with my game???

In the group I played in at high school, the GM always rolled all the dice. My first DM did that (probably to save on teaching us the dice), and so we just assumed that was the way it was supposed to be. I wasn't disabused of that notion until I went to university.
 

gideonpepys

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
By way of scotching these stereotypes I think I should point out that, while I might be middle-aged (assuming 40 counts), I don't have a beard, I'm exceptionally fit, incredibly good-looking and charismatic and my wife is only 27. Do I win some sort of prize?
 

Shayuri

First Post
I believe it's called the Perfect Modesty Award. It's a gold-plated replica mirror polished to reflective finish, mounted on a pedestal of burnished, stained sequoia wood with brass trim. Under it is a plaque in which is engraved the motto, "GO YOU."

It comes with a complimentary internet.

Congrats!
 

mattcolville

Adventurer
You see the same thing in film. Pretty much whatever your niche is, there's a movie or TV show somewhere that got it wrong, possibly many of them.

But those shows aren't in the business of getting your pet niche right. They're in the business of telling stories and engaging an audience and by every metric by which we judge such things, Big Bang Theory succeeds at that.

That's what they're experts at. Your an expert in D&D and gaming. They're experts at storytelling. There's no percentage in getting it right. The niche is incidental to the story.
 

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