D&D (2024) WotC D&D Comunity Update for June 8th.

[OB1]

I wonder what prompted this wave of clarification. Has there been an upsurge in people complaining about the changes constituting a new edition? Like, more such complaints than there have been all along?

Perhaps Bigsby's pre-sales are below expectations and they're thinking it might be because people are saying 'why bother' since there is a new edition coming out next year?

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Loseing pact magic
Rewriting bard inspiration
Changing spell lists (although mostly this is bard and Druid/ranger issues… but also makes wizard less unique)
Removing subclass choices.

You know that just because we've been asked to playtest some (in some cases pretty bad) versions of those things, doesn't mean that ANY of them will make it into the 2024 books, right?

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Perhaps Bigsby's pre-sales are below expectations and they're thinking it might be because people are saying 'why bother' since there is a new edition coming out next year?

That sounds likely to me, actually. Late-edition books always tank in sales. While I trust WotC that this year's books will still be viable in 2025, the overall market probably doesn't. Also: People are broke right now.

 

[HammerMan]

I mean I asked you in another thread to show how, and it was easy to show how every example you have wasn’t any less compatible, so…no.

You dismissing my carefully explained examples doesn’t invalidate them at all it just says you personally disagree

 

[Charlaquin]

Perhaps Bigsby's pre-sales are below expectations and they're thinking it might be because people are saying 'why bother' since there is a new edition coming out next year?

Oh, that would definitely explain it!

 

[HammerMan]

Perhaps Bigsby's pre-sales are below expectations and they're thinking it might be because people are saying 'why bother' since there is a new edition coming out next year?

In my own very limited experience no one I personally know that normally pre orders did this time becuse of the change coming and the thought they may want to move to digital
My sample size is small though. Like 2 dozen people 2/3 of them never pre order and less then 1/2 but most books…
Of the 4 “completists” that pre order everything and the one who pre orders most all are sitting to wait.

 

[HammerMan]

You know that just because we've been asked to playtest some (in some cases pretty bad) versions of those things, doesn't mean that ANY of them will make it into the 2024 books, right?

Correct. But when we look at what it is we have to go with what we have seen to forecast.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

In my own very limited experience no one I personally know that normally pre orders did this time becuse of the change coming and the thought they may want to move to digital
My sample size is small though. Like 2 dozen people 2/3 of them never pre order and less then 1/2 but most books…
Of the 4 “completists” that pre order everything and the one who pre orders most all are sitting to wait.

It may be a small sampling, but it jives with my experience collecting pre-orders, both from customers and from my own IRL group (who naturally buy their books from me). The upcoming books will still sell, of course, but not in what we have come to know as "5e Numbers". I think I cut my orders by 60%.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Correct. But when we look at what it is we have to go with what we have seen to forecast.

Not really, though. I mean, you need to reply to the surveys and tell them not to do the things that you don't like. And you're perfectly free to try to recruit other like-minded individuals to join you.

What I don't think is all that useful is to treat the upcoming books like you know what will be in them. That hasn't been decided yet. At least not in the details.

I find that I think that there's far too many people describing (and condemning) the 2024 books because of the OneD&D rules. Sure, you may want to make sure that the 2024 books DO, or DON'T look like the OneD&D rules, but they will not, in the end, be the same thing.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

You dismissing my carefully explained examples doesn’t invalidate them at all it just says you personally disagree

I didn’t dismiss them, I refuted them.

I’m not going to go in pedantic word circles with you. Interaction over.