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<blockquote data-quote="Mecheon" data-source="post: 9233924" data-attributes="member: 6801776"><p>And then the AI logically declares the shareholders are bad for company stability and they should be removed because its looked at the data and seen one too many cases where shareholders have just throttled a company after making their profits</p><p></p><p>CEOs and shareholders aren't going to give AI power the moment it declares they're surplus to requirements.</p><p></p><p></p><p>All generative AI does it use the pre-established data it has to try and predict. It cannot create anything truly new, merely remix what exists</p><p></p><p>It'll just mash up whatever Gygax modules you've put into it. It won't give you an authentic experience, it'll just be pieces copied from other modules and put together into what it vaguely considers the right order. And it'll be inconsistent because I bet if you did that, it'd probably just slap stuff in. Like, if you tried to get it to do a boss room it might just 100% reproduce the final chamber from Tomb of Horrors despite the fact its, not Tomb of Horrors. That's just how AI be. Or just, slap in stuff from Barrier Peaks around like its a normal thing for set dressing and not "why is there suddenly a spaceship window, we're in a castle"</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think we can get rid of AI hallucinations because I suspect that's actually a problem with the actual system. Its got to try and predict things and tends to just run off with what it has. Which is limited simply due to how the tech gets data inputted into it</p><p></p><p>AI art is never going to be great though. It can't do anything original or new, and it fails miserably the moment you get to obscurer subjects or just paleoart in general. I can tell you about Omnidens, All Tooth, biggest predator of the Cambrian period, a 1.7 meter long lobopodian, but due to that being obscure and little known outside of the paleo space, AI can't do anything with that. Heck, I doubt it can do 'lobopodian' despite 'like those Cambrian weirdos' being enough to give most people a good mental image</p><p></p><p>Oh, and incidentally on that art stuff, there's a liiiiiittle bit of a lawsuit going on with the art stuff and boy, <a href="https://twitter.com/JonLamArt/status/1741545927435784424" target="_blank">look at the language they're using to describe their own work</a>. "Launder" isn't language I like to see on "Brand new world-changing tech" and is more what I associate with, y'know. Money laundering.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The stuff for pattern recognition and that isn't the predictive stuff we're talking about here, AI being the root cause doesn't mean they're comparable techs. On the other side, this stuff running rampart has given us folks making deepfake pornography of people they don't like to ruin their reputation. That is very much not making the world better</p><p></p><p>This generative AI stuff doesn't help the 'here's the good data analysis' side that lets it do stuff like detecting brain tumours. This is the stuff where Disney tried to cheat people out on deals so they could just use AI crowds rather than ever paying people. They found a toy that produces sub-par work and are trying to say I should be impressed by it</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, if they got the rights to do what they can with what's leftover, hire an author to do what they can with them to try and produce something</p><p></p><p>AI isn't going to produce "The real full Castle Greyhawk as it was going to be!" by looking at the pre-existing modules. Its going to look at those modules, go "This is how a dungeon is", and then try to slap them together with less grace than a randomly generated room in a roguelike.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mecheon, post: 9233924, member: 6801776"] And then the AI logically declares the shareholders are bad for company stability and they should be removed because its looked at the data and seen one too many cases where shareholders have just throttled a company after making their profits CEOs and shareholders aren't going to give AI power the moment it declares they're surplus to requirements. All generative AI does it use the pre-established data it has to try and predict. It cannot create anything truly new, merely remix what exists It'll just mash up whatever Gygax modules you've put into it. It won't give you an authentic experience, it'll just be pieces copied from other modules and put together into what it vaguely considers the right order. And it'll be inconsistent because I bet if you did that, it'd probably just slap stuff in. Like, if you tried to get it to do a boss room it might just 100% reproduce the final chamber from Tomb of Horrors despite the fact its, not Tomb of Horrors. That's just how AI be. Or just, slap in stuff from Barrier Peaks around like its a normal thing for set dressing and not "why is there suddenly a spaceship window, we're in a castle" I don't think we can get rid of AI hallucinations because I suspect that's actually a problem with the actual system. Its got to try and predict things and tends to just run off with what it has. Which is limited simply due to how the tech gets data inputted into it AI art is never going to be great though. It can't do anything original or new, and it fails miserably the moment you get to obscurer subjects or just paleoart in general. I can tell you about Omnidens, All Tooth, biggest predator of the Cambrian period, a 1.7 meter long lobopodian, but due to that being obscure and little known outside of the paleo space, AI can't do anything with that. Heck, I doubt it can do 'lobopodian' despite 'like those Cambrian weirdos' being enough to give most people a good mental image Oh, and incidentally on that art stuff, there's a liiiiiittle bit of a lawsuit going on with the art stuff and boy, [URL='https://twitter.com/JonLamArt/status/1741545927435784424']look at the language they're using to describe their own work[/URL]. "Launder" isn't language I like to see on "Brand new world-changing tech" and is more what I associate with, y'know. Money laundering. The stuff for pattern recognition and that isn't the predictive stuff we're talking about here, AI being the root cause doesn't mean they're comparable techs. On the other side, this stuff running rampart has given us folks making deepfake pornography of people they don't like to ruin their reputation. That is very much not making the world better This generative AI stuff doesn't help the 'here's the good data analysis' side that lets it do stuff like detecting brain tumours. This is the stuff where Disney tried to cheat people out on deals so they could just use AI crowds rather than ever paying people. They found a toy that produces sub-par work and are trying to say I should be impressed by it Well, if they got the rights to do what they can with what's leftover, hire an author to do what they can with them to try and produce something AI isn't going to produce "The real full Castle Greyhawk as it was going to be!" by looking at the pre-existing modules. Its going to look at those modules, go "This is how a dungeon is", and then try to slap them together with less grace than a randomly generated room in a roguelike. [/QUOTE]
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