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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1437967" data-attributes="member: 6398"><p>Which is why I never said it. Nice of you to notice.</p><p> </p><p>And, again, read the first page of this thread. Go ahead, just the first page. You will notice that there isn't anyone saying that High Magic games suck or that Low Magic games are better. You will also notice that there are several replies stating the Low Magic GMs are incompitant, fearful, and power mad.</p><p> </p><p>You can avoid this <em>fact</em> all you want, but the truth is right there for anyone to see.</p><p> </p><p>Negative. The characters in my game are quite powerful.</p><p> </p><p>Allow me to clarify...</p><p> </p><p>At 1st Level, Aedon PCs are likely a tad less powered on the combat side than "standard" D&D PCs but a little more pumped on Skills.</p><p> </p><p>At 5th Level, Aedon PCs are definately a bit less powered on the combat/magic side than "standard" PCs, but their Feats and Skills are easily on par, if not superior.</p><p> </p><p>At 10th Level, Aedon PCs are still lagging in magic, but their combat prowess has likely caught up to "standard" PCs.</p><p> </p><p>At 15th Level, Aedon PCs are only a smidge behind "standard" PCs in regards to magic.</p><p> </p><p>At 20th Level, I'll put an Aedon PC against a "standard" PC and likely whip the snot out of him in both personal and magical power.</p><p> </p><p>So, you see, you seem to have made an assumption about me not liking "powerful characters". And I assure you, it's not the only incorrect assumption you and others have made in this thread, and thus why you continuously fail to gain any ground in this debate: You've allowed your narrow view of low magic games to form the basis of statements that simply aren't true.</p><p> </p><p>Yawn...</p><p> </p><p>Okay, I compared D&D (which I think is cheesy) to a number of cheesy shows that feature high magic and illogical continuity. Big friggin' deal. Are any of those quotes comparible to...</p><p> </p><p><em><strong>Post #4:</strong> Simply put - if someone uses either of these phrases to describe their campaign, it means that they didn't really think about the campaign world beyond their own personal DMing preferences.</em></p><p> </p><p><em><strong>Post #6:</strong> If someone's primary description of their campaign includes only the phrases "grim and gritty" and/or "low magic", then you're in trouble.</em></p><p> </p><p><em><strong>Post #11:</strong> In my experience "grim and gritty" and "low magic" has equaled poor DM. It means DM's that feel magic missle is over powering, but a fighter with a sword that critical threats on 16 or greater and does 4D6 plus strength, 3 times per round is perfectly balanced. It means the DM is getting ready to keep the best spells out of the game. It means the Mage might was well not even attempt to take item creation feats. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>It means that anything that is more creative then "I swing my sword" will be crushed by an egotistical GM, that would rather have a boring lame game then see his/her story ruined by altering the adventure even a little bit. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>It means fear of what the players could do, and fear that their perfect little game would be ruined if the players had any power.</em></p><p> </p><p><em><strong>Post #15:</strong> "Low magic" usually means that the DM hates powerful spells that can be used to divine the villain's intentions or bring dead characters back to life, and also hates powerful magic items. So they make magic items almost nonexistant and severely nerf spellcasters (but usually don't reduce the difficulty of encounters to compensate for this reduced-power party).</em></p><p> </p><p>These are all from the first page of the thread. If at a later time, some of us "low magic folks" got a little gruff, can you really blame us? How many insults and insinuations of poor gaming technique do we really have to put up with?</p><p> </p><p>Indeed, even if the thread remained civil through out its entirety, how many times are we expected to answer the same stupid questions?</p><p> </p><p>And, again, I point to the material produced by WotC that sets that standard. If you can do better than their own designers, might I suggest you get into publishing?</p><p> </p><p>If the idea of the game is to have fun, and I don't have fun in high magic games, then it is indeed sub-par. If you don't feel my reasons for liking low magic or not liking high magic are good enough reasons, than I suggest growing a thicker skin. You're undies are way too bunched up for an issue of personal taste.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1437967, member: 6398"] Which is why I never said it. Nice of you to notice. And, again, read the first page of this thread. Go ahead, just the first page. You will notice that there isn't anyone saying that High Magic games suck or that Low Magic games are better. You will also notice that there are several replies stating the Low Magic GMs are incompitant, fearful, and power mad. You can avoid this [i]fact[/i] all you want, but the truth is right there for anyone to see. Negative. The characters in my game are quite powerful. Allow me to clarify... At 1st Level, Aedon PCs are likely a tad less powered on the combat side than "standard" D&D PCs but a little more pumped on Skills. At 5th Level, Aedon PCs are definately a bit less powered on the combat/magic side than "standard" PCs, but their Feats and Skills are easily on par, if not superior. At 10th Level, Aedon PCs are still lagging in magic, but their combat prowess has likely caught up to "standard" PCs. At 15th Level, Aedon PCs are only a smidge behind "standard" PCs in regards to magic. At 20th Level, I'll put an Aedon PC against a "standard" PC and likely whip the snot out of him in both personal and magical power. So, you see, you seem to have made an assumption about me not liking "powerful characters". And I assure you, it's not the only incorrect assumption you and others have made in this thread, and thus why you continuously fail to gain any ground in this debate: You've allowed your narrow view of low magic games to form the basis of statements that simply aren't true. Yawn... Okay, I compared D&D (which I think is cheesy) to a number of cheesy shows that feature high magic and illogical continuity. Big friggin' deal. Are any of those quotes comparible to... [i][b]Post #4:[/b] Simply put - if someone uses either of these phrases to describe their campaign, it means that they didn't really think about the campaign world beyond their own personal DMing preferences.[/i] [i][b]Post #6:[/b] If someone's primary description of their campaign includes only the phrases "grim and gritty" and/or "low magic", then you're in trouble.[/i] [i][b]Post #11:[/b] In my experience "grim and gritty" and "low magic" has equaled poor DM. It means DM's that feel magic missle is over powering, but a fighter with a sword that critical threats on 16 or greater and does 4D6 plus strength, 3 times per round is perfectly balanced. It means the DM is getting ready to keep the best spells out of the game. It means the Mage might was well not even attempt to take item creation feats. It means that anything that is more creative then "I swing my sword" will be crushed by an egotistical GM, that would rather have a boring lame game then see his/her story ruined by altering the adventure even a little bit. It means fear of what the players could do, and fear that their perfect little game would be ruined if the players had any power.[/i] [i][b]Post #15:[/b] "Low magic" usually means that the DM hates powerful spells that can be used to divine the villain's intentions or bring dead characters back to life, and also hates powerful magic items. So they make magic items almost nonexistant and severely nerf spellcasters (but usually don't reduce the difficulty of encounters to compensate for this reduced-power party).[/i] These are all from the first page of the thread. If at a later time, some of us "low magic folks" got a little gruff, can you really blame us? How many insults and insinuations of poor gaming technique do we really have to put up with? Indeed, even if the thread remained civil through out its entirety, how many times are we expected to answer the same stupid questions? And, again, I point to the material produced by WotC that sets that standard. If you can do better than their own designers, might I suggest you get into publishing? If the idea of the game is to have fun, and I don't have fun in high magic games, then it is indeed sub-par. If you don't feel my reasons for liking low magic or not liking high magic are good enough reasons, than I suggest growing a thicker skin. You're undies are way too bunched up for an issue of personal taste. [/QUOTE]
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