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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9337942" data-attributes="member: 7037866"><p>I'll add another houserule we've been using which helps Fighters in such situations, another of [USER=6987520]@DND_Reborn[/USER]'s work:</p><p></p><p>Action Surge can be used to multiple the lifting and jumping capabilities of the PC by a factor equal to the proficiency bonus.</p><p></p><p>So, your PC can lift 420 lbs at level 1? Spend your Action Surge and it doubles to 840. At level 5, it triples, and level 9, it quadruples, etc.</p><p></p><p>Your PC can jump 18 feet with their STR 18? Spend your Action Surge and it doubles to 36, then goes to 48, etc.</p><p></p><p>This way, a Fighter anyway, can perform superhuman (IRL) but plausible actions in a fantasy game.</p><p></p><p>It wouldn't be hard to expand this to allow Rage to perform similarly. But I don't know if I could as easily see it going to other martials. Monks have Step of the Wind, a Rogue using Cunning Action might be able to jump further maybe?</p><p></p><p>All in all, it just comes down to how far you want things to go. At Fighter 17+ with STR 20, you can normally lift 300 lbs, but with the above Action Surge it would be 1800 lbs. If you were a goliath or had some other "Powerful build"-type feature, it could go as high as 3600 lbs! If your typical Ogre weighs about 1000 lbs, either of these would be enough to lift an Ogre overhead, etc.</p><p></p><p>Also, another idea I've been thinking of is a modification to Rage. Instead of the way it works, what if Rage increased the Barbarian's Strength by your proficiency bonus???</p><p></p><p>In levels 1-4, it would be a +1 to Strength-based attacks <em>and</em> damage, instead of just +2 damage. Of ocurse a +1 to Strength checks is not as good as advantage, it helps a bit.</p><p></p><p>However, look at what becomes possible <em>IF</em> you ever got to level 20? You have <em>unlimited</em> rages, and with Primal Champion could have a Strength 24, bumped up to 30 while raging!!! Time for some fun working the numbers:</p><p></p><p>Str 30 x 30 = 900 lbs, go Goliath => 1800, go Bear Totem => 3600, allow Rage to multiple lift / jump like Action Sure, and now you have 21600 lbs-- over 10 tons. I think such a system which is build for such power, in a fantasy game and at level 20, while most definitely superhuman, would be acceptable to many groups.</p><p></p><p>Jump back to level 1. Str 20 x 30 = 600 lbs, Goliath is 1200, Rage x2 would make it 2400 lbs, roughly twice the real-world limit for humans currently. Since this is a raging Goliath barbarian, is that too much of a stretch at level 1? Not IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9337942, member: 7037866"] I'll add another houserule we've been using which helps Fighters in such situations, another of [USER=6987520]@DND_Reborn[/USER]'s work: Action Surge can be used to multiple the lifting and jumping capabilities of the PC by a factor equal to the proficiency bonus. So, your PC can lift 420 lbs at level 1? Spend your Action Surge and it doubles to 840. At level 5, it triples, and level 9, it quadruples, etc. Your PC can jump 18 feet with their STR 18? Spend your Action Surge and it doubles to 36, then goes to 48, etc. This way, a Fighter anyway, can perform superhuman (IRL) but plausible actions in a fantasy game. It wouldn't be hard to expand this to allow Rage to perform similarly. But I don't know if I could as easily see it going to other martials. Monks have Step of the Wind, a Rogue using Cunning Action might be able to jump further maybe? All in all, it just comes down to how far you want things to go. At Fighter 17+ with STR 20, you can normally lift 300 lbs, but with the above Action Surge it would be 1800 lbs. If you were a goliath or had some other "Powerful build"-type feature, it could go as high as 3600 lbs! If your typical Ogre weighs about 1000 lbs, either of these would be enough to lift an Ogre overhead, etc. Also, another idea I've been thinking of is a modification to Rage. Instead of the way it works, what if Rage increased the Barbarian's Strength by your proficiency bonus??? In levels 1-4, it would be a +1 to Strength-based attacks [I]and[/I] damage, instead of just +2 damage. Of ocurse a +1 to Strength checks is not as good as advantage, it helps a bit. However, look at what becomes possible [I]IF[/I] you ever got to level 20? You have [I]unlimited[/I] rages, and with Primal Champion could have a Strength 24, bumped up to 30 while raging!!! Time for some fun working the numbers: Str 30 x 30 = 900 lbs, go Goliath => 1800, go Bear Totem => 3600, allow Rage to multiple lift / jump like Action Sure, and now you have 21600 lbs-- over 10 tons. I think such a system which is build for such power, in a fantasy game and at level 20, while most definitely superhuman, would be acceptable to many groups. Jump back to level 1. Str 20 x 30 = 600 lbs, Goliath is 1200, Rage x2 would make it 2400 lbs, roughly twice the real-world limit for humans currently. Since this is a raging Goliath barbarian, is that too much of a stretch at level 1? Not IMO. [/QUOTE]
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