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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7007969" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Eh? The above passage says a creature can do constriction damage by making a successful grapple check regardless of whether it has improved grab.</p><p></p><p>If it has Improved Grab it can potentially do constriction damage "in addition" to the damage of the natural weapon that makes the improved grab attack. (i.e. its part of the same action). So a constrictor snake, for example, can make a melee bite attack and if it hits it can make an improved grab grapple check and if that succeeds it can make a constrict grapple check to do its constrict damage.</p><p></p><p>If a Hu Lung has constrict but not improved grab it would mean the dragon would have to obtain a hold using a regular grapple attack before it can make constrict attacks as separate actions.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I'm OK leaving it the way it is.</p><p></p><p>Actually, this conversion is kind of stuck since I was waiting for Nookie to reply - it didn't seem quite right to carry on without Nookie since they started this thread in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 7007969, member: 57383"] Eh? The above passage says a creature can do constriction damage by making a successful grapple check regardless of whether it has improved grab. If it has Improved Grab it can potentially do constriction damage "in addition" to the damage of the natural weapon that makes the improved grab attack. (i.e. its part of the same action). So a constrictor snake, for example, can make a melee bite attack and if it hits it can make an improved grab grapple check and if that succeeds it can make a constrict grapple check to do its constrict damage. If a Hu Lung has constrict but not improved grab it would mean the dragon would have to obtain a hold using a regular grapple attack before it can make constrict attacks as separate actions. Anyway, I'm OK leaving it the way it is. Actually, this conversion is kind of stuck since I was waiting for Nookie to reply - it didn't seem quite right to carry on without Nookie since they started this thread in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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