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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7504393" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>I'd make them Medium sized, since (a) the SRD Medium Shark's 3 HD is closed to the 4 HD of the Mako Shark, (b) I don't fancy having the hybrid form be Large size and (c) the BECMI Mako Shark is a Medium-sized monster:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #00ffff"><em>Rules Cyclopedia (1993)</em>:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Shark</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"></span></strong></span> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><br /> </span></td><td><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><em>Mako</em></span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"> Armor Class:<br /> Hit Dice:<br /> Move:<br /> Attacks:<br /> Damage:<br /> No. Appearing:<br /> Save As:<br /> Morale:<br /> Treasure Type:<br /> Intelligence:<br /> Alignment:<br /> XP Value:</span></td><td><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"> 4<br /> 4(M)<br /> 180′ (60′)<br /> 1 bite<br /> 2d6<br /> 0 (2d6)<br /> F2<br /> 7<br /> Nil<br /> 2<br /> Neutral<br /> 75</span></td></tr></table><p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><em>Monster Type:</em> Normal Animal (Common).</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'">Sharks are predators, feeding mostly on fish. They have little intelligence and are unpredictable. They are attracted to the scent of blood within 300<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'">′</span> and it will drive them into a feeding frenzy (they attack but make no morale checks). Sharks are found in salt water.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'times new roman'">Mako Shark: These are 12<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'">′</span> long and blue-gray or tan in color. Mako sharks are very unpredictable, ignoring prey one moment and attacking another.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><em>Terrain:</em> Ocean.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>Come to think of it, my "Wereshark Original Stats" post would be better with the Rules Cyclopedia mako shark entry included. I'll edit those in.</p><p></p><p>One problem is the official stats for sharks are noticeably underpowered. A Large shark should not be weaker than a Medium crocodile! Giving a 15-foot shark Strength 17 and a crocodile a size category smaller Strength 19 is just wrong.</p><p></p><p> Speaking of crocodiles, the SRD crocodile is 11-12 feet long, roughly the same as 12-foot length of the BECMI Mako Shark.</p><p></p><p>Incidentally, a real-world <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortfin_mako_shark" target="_blank">mako shark</a> is typically a couple of hundred pounds in weight and 10 feet or less. That's Medium in 3E terms.</p><p></p><p>Ability score wise, I'd go for a Medium sized animal (Aquatic) with Str 15 or 17 and a 1d8 bite attack.</p><p></p><p>We want an Armour Class of 16, so the question is do we tweak the natural armour up a point or give it a Dexterity Bonus of +3?</p><p></p><p>I'd also entertain giving it a higher Swim speed than a standard Shark (say 70 ft.?) since Makos appear to be the fastest swimming species of shark. That could also be used as an argument for increasing its Dexterity to account for the higher AC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 7504393, member: 57383"] I'd make them Medium sized, since (a) the SRD Medium Shark's 3 HD is closed to the 4 HD of the Mako Shark, (b) I don't fancy having the hybrid form be Large size and (c) the BECMI Mako Shark is a Medium-sized monster: [COLOR=#00ffff][I]Rules Cyclopedia (1993)[/I]:[/COLOR] [SIZE=3][B] [FONT=times new roman][SIZE=3]Shark[/SIZE] [/FONT][/B][/SIZE][TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable"] [TR] [TD][FONT=times new roman] [/FONT][/TD] [TD][FONT=times new roman][I]Mako[/I][/FONT][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][FONT=times new roman] Armor Class: Hit Dice: Move: Attacks: Damage: No. Appearing: Save As: Morale: Treasure Type: Intelligence: Alignment: XP Value:[/FONT][/TD] [TD][FONT=times new roman] 4 4(M) 180′ (60′) 1 bite 2d6 0 (2d6) F2 7 Nil 2 Neutral 75[/FONT][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [FONT=times new roman] [I]Monster Type:[/I] Normal Animal (Common). Sharks are predators, feeding mostly on fish. They have little intelligence and are unpredictable. They are attracted to the scent of blood within 300[FONT=times new roman]′[/FONT] and it will drive them into a feeding frenzy (they attack but make no morale checks). Sharks are found in salt water. Mako Shark: These are 12[FONT=times new roman]′[/FONT] long and blue-gray or tan in color. Mako sharks are very unpredictable, ignoring prey one moment and attacking another. [I] Terrain:[/I] Ocean.[/FONT] Come to think of it, my "Wereshark Original Stats" post would be better with the Rules Cyclopedia mako shark entry included. I'll edit those in. One problem is the official stats for sharks are noticeably underpowered. A Large shark should not be weaker than a Medium crocodile! Giving a 15-foot shark Strength 17 and a crocodile a size category smaller Strength 19 is just wrong. Speaking of crocodiles, the SRD crocodile is 11-12 feet long, roughly the same as 12-foot length of the BECMI Mako Shark. Incidentally, a real-world [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortfin_mako_shark"]mako shark[/URL] is typically a couple of hundred pounds in weight and 10 feet or less. That's Medium in 3E terms. Ability score wise, I'd go for a Medium sized animal (Aquatic) with Str 15 or 17 and a 1d8 bite attack. We want an Armour Class of 16, so the question is do we tweak the natural armour up a point or give it a Dexterity Bonus of +3? I'd also entertain giving it a higher Swim speed than a standard Shark (say 70 ft.?) since Makos appear to be the fastest swimming species of shark. That could also be used as an argument for increasing its Dexterity to account for the higher AC. [/QUOTE]
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