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<blockquote data-quote="nevin" data-source="post: 9133524" data-attributes="member: 7024481"><p>Well Monty Haul tends to refer to those who claim to have played by the rules and done things like get to 40th level. Now if you play by the rules especially back in the day getting to 40th level playing by the rules is a 20 year playing every friday for 8 hours a day at least. Small wonder then that we mocked our fellow 12 to 25 year old friends who had somehow made it to 40th level. they get mocked because the game is made to make that almost impossible and they've already beat it and want more. If that's the game they want to play with themselves fine, the mocking usually starts when <actual 1st ed game> The 38th level Cavalier with a portable hole and 5 large bags of holding shows up at a game ready to play. he died falling to his death trying to find a ring of feather fall in one of the bags of holding. Not sure he'd ever played that character at high level and used all his abilities. Or the player who brought the 20th level psionic character who died in the first round of psionic combat because he didnt know how to use his defenses or attacks. The Mockery of monty haul players is almost exclusively because most of them never really played those characters and you can tell when they try to play a 40th level pc who should be able to challenge lesser gods and they don't know what to do in normal encounter at thier supposedly normal level. </p><p></p><p>And as for a passive aggressive rules lawyer mocking everyone into compliance I suspect that would cause far more table blow ups an than the nerdy rules lawyer who just has no self awareness or just can't help themselves. They we can assume mean well. Some snarky jerk mocking those who don't know or follow the rules should just go find a game with other snarky jerks and they can all mock each other. Nobody wants that person in their game. </p><p></p><p>Maybe I'm way out there but I suspect most of us DM's and Players just want to play without any Jerks. No DM's flipping out because the players don't behave as expected, no rules lawyers, no stupidly improbable characters (unless the game is made for that) and definitely no ultra cool snarky player mocking the other players for not following the rules as they interpret them, while claiming not to be a rules lawyer.(irony and self delusion at it's finest vintage) You know that mythical game where everyone just plays and has fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nevin, post: 9133524, member: 7024481"] Well Monty Haul tends to refer to those who claim to have played by the rules and done things like get to 40th level. Now if you play by the rules especially back in the day getting to 40th level playing by the rules is a 20 year playing every friday for 8 hours a day at least. Small wonder then that we mocked our fellow 12 to 25 year old friends who had somehow made it to 40th level. they get mocked because the game is made to make that almost impossible and they've already beat it and want more. If that's the game they want to play with themselves fine, the mocking usually starts when <actual 1st ed game> The 38th level Cavalier with a portable hole and 5 large bags of holding shows up at a game ready to play. he died falling to his death trying to find a ring of feather fall in one of the bags of holding. Not sure he'd ever played that character at high level and used all his abilities. Or the player who brought the 20th level psionic character who died in the first round of psionic combat because he didnt know how to use his defenses or attacks. The Mockery of monty haul players is almost exclusively because most of them never really played those characters and you can tell when they try to play a 40th level pc who should be able to challenge lesser gods and they don't know what to do in normal encounter at thier supposedly normal level. And as for a passive aggressive rules lawyer mocking everyone into compliance I suspect that would cause far more table blow ups an than the nerdy rules lawyer who just has no self awareness or just can't help themselves. They we can assume mean well. Some snarky jerk mocking those who don't know or follow the rules should just go find a game with other snarky jerks and they can all mock each other. Nobody wants that person in their game. Maybe I'm way out there but I suspect most of us DM's and Players just want to play without any Jerks. No DM's flipping out because the players don't behave as expected, no rules lawyers, no stupidly improbable characters (unless the game is made for that) and definitely no ultra cool snarky player mocking the other players for not following the rules as they interpret them, while claiming not to be a rules lawyer.(irony and self delusion at it's finest vintage) You know that mythical game where everyone just plays and has fun. [/QUOTE]
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