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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9278372" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Strongly disagree. I have for example only about six months of regular fencing practice, but to me when I see staged combat if it doesn't look like what I'd expect practical combat to look like - that is to say if it doesn't look tactical in the sense that you use the word - then it also doesn't look dramatic to me. It looks silly. It breaks suspension of disbelief and it makes the characters look ridiculous. Staged combat where the characters are obviously aiming at each other's weapon from safe distance beyond their weapons reach, or continually spinning around and blocking attacks in ways that leave themselves exposed to simple attacks may be staged in a dramatic fashion, but it won't for me be dramatic.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, Peter Jackson changed the staging at Helm's Deep so that Gandalf and cavalry ride down a steep embankment into a hedge of spears. This scene is not in the book. Tolkien, a professional soldier at one point, would not have written it that way because it may look dramatic but it's utter tactical foolishness. In the book, when Gandalf arrives with reinforcements, they charge on foot owing to the treachery of the ground. This might be less dramatic to some, but not to me. It's more dramatic because it logical to the situation. Similar nonsense occurs in <em>The 300</em> movie, where the Spartan phalanx forms a shield wall and then immediately breaks into what is for me less dramatic laughable nonsense where they willingly break formation and enter into a bunch of disparate melees where it is every man for himself but the enemies stand back waiting for the Spartans to finish off their friends with spin moves before engaging.</p><p></p><p>Good writing involves and always involves the alignment of these two things. You set the situation so that the logical thing to do is also the dramatic thing to do.</p><p></p><p>Some of the best fight choreography lately has been coming out of the HEMA community where they have been rejecting a lot of the Hollywood conventions for what good fight choreography looks like in favor what is more historically accurate, more plausible, and more tactical and skilled and it's just gorgeous drama.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9278372, member: 4937"] Strongly disagree. I have for example only about six months of regular fencing practice, but to me when I see staged combat if it doesn't look like what I'd expect practical combat to look like - that is to say if it doesn't look tactical in the sense that you use the word - then it also doesn't look dramatic to me. It looks silly. It breaks suspension of disbelief and it makes the characters look ridiculous. Staged combat where the characters are obviously aiming at each other's weapon from safe distance beyond their weapons reach, or continually spinning around and blocking attacks in ways that leave themselves exposed to simple attacks may be staged in a dramatic fashion, but it won't for me be dramatic. Likewise, Peter Jackson changed the staging at Helm's Deep so that Gandalf and cavalry ride down a steep embankment into a hedge of spears. This scene is not in the book. Tolkien, a professional soldier at one point, would not have written it that way because it may look dramatic but it's utter tactical foolishness. In the book, when Gandalf arrives with reinforcements, they charge on foot owing to the treachery of the ground. This might be less dramatic to some, but not to me. It's more dramatic because it logical to the situation. Similar nonsense occurs in [I]The 300[/I] movie, where the Spartan phalanx forms a shield wall and then immediately breaks into what is for me less dramatic laughable nonsense where they willingly break formation and enter into a bunch of disparate melees where it is every man for himself but the enemies stand back waiting for the Spartans to finish off their friends with spin moves before engaging. Good writing involves and always involves the alignment of these two things. You set the situation so that the logical thing to do is also the dramatic thing to do. Some of the best fight choreography lately has been coming out of the HEMA community where they have been rejecting a lot of the Hollywood conventions for what good fight choreography looks like in favor what is more historically accurate, more plausible, and more tactical and skilled and it's just gorgeous drama. [/QUOTE]
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