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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8720775" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I saw that start happening in the late 80s and early 90s and continuing onwards (and probably earlier in many places, perhaps as early as 81 even), but I didn't see that originally. You had the LBBs and then you had the Basic sets that came after. The old guard didn't get those confused.</p><p></p><p>I DID see many who never knew what was in the LBB's get confused though and think that BX and BECMI were the exact same thing. Invariably, a LOT of mistakes were made by that group on what OD&D was and contained. </p><p></p><p>That confusion seemed to stick around until at least 2010 when it STARTED to clear up (of which I was at the forefront trying to clear it up as some OSR game makers were trying to portray their rules based on BX or Holmes as based on the LBB's...which they were not, at least until they got it clarified that they needed to do more research on what OD&D really was). </p><p></p><p>I STILL see the mix up occur these days with some thinking that BX or BECMI is the same as OD&D. It was and still is quite common.</p><p></p><p>None of the old guys I played (or introduced me to the game) with would make that mistake though. It's was the new comers (hah...not anymore, but at the time they were new, as they had never played the LBB's, and in many instances didn't even know what was in them) that commonly made the mistake.</p><p></p><p>That said, I've conceded that point to them at times simply to smooth over relations and not cause argumentation or angry discourse over the matter. Sometimes I've used it to relate to things that we all have in common, especially when there was greater confusion over the issue with many and to try to separate them in certain topics served no purpose except to cause discord.</p><p></p><p>BUT, it's been obvious from the start that BX was very different than the LBB's, as well as the stuff that followed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 8720775, member: 4348"] I saw that start happening in the late 80s and early 90s and continuing onwards (and probably earlier in many places, perhaps as early as 81 even), but I didn't see that originally. You had the LBBs and then you had the Basic sets that came after. The old guard didn't get those confused. I DID see many who never knew what was in the LBB's get confused though and think that BX and BECMI were the exact same thing. Invariably, a LOT of mistakes were made by that group on what OD&D was and contained. That confusion seemed to stick around until at least 2010 when it STARTED to clear up (of which I was at the forefront trying to clear it up as some OSR game makers were trying to portray their rules based on BX or Holmes as based on the LBB's...which they were not, at least until they got it clarified that they needed to do more research on what OD&D really was). I STILL see the mix up occur these days with some thinking that BX or BECMI is the same as OD&D. It was and still is quite common. None of the old guys I played (or introduced me to the game) with would make that mistake though. It's was the new comers (hah...not anymore, but at the time they were new, as they had never played the LBB's, and in many instances didn't even know what was in them) that commonly made the mistake. That said, I've conceded that point to them at times simply to smooth over relations and not cause argumentation or angry discourse over the matter. Sometimes I've used it to relate to things that we all have in common, especially when there was greater confusion over the issue with many and to try to separate them in certain topics served no purpose except to cause discord. BUT, it's been obvious from the start that BX was very different than the LBB's, as well as the stuff that followed. [/QUOTE]
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