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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8433860" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>No, my problem is that we can already see some of the stuff from Paizo in Wizards, but you are repeatedly downplaying or dismissing it. The "suppositions" minority members of the Magic Community are making are very similar to suppositions from Paizo as to why certain people were turned down for jobs and such.</p><p></p><p>And you talk about "discriminatory decisions in contracts" when the document linked to absolutely shows how few BIPOC people work at Magic, as well as relaying the fact that it seems like minority people seem to miss out on jobs mysteriously. Combined with what happened with Orion, where they were hired but completely ignored to the point of having to beg for tasks to get involved... I'm not sure how that <em>not</em> be looked at as discriminatory and abusive.</p><p></p><p>If you can't recognize why what happened to Orion Black as being abusive and wrong, I'm not sure what else to say. You can't talk about discriminatory practices and write off being completely isolated at the workplace to such an extent that it has to be considered deliberate at some level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's because you were told about Vic. Dismissive attitudes at the bottom often care from dismissive attitudes at the top. The fact of the matter is that we don't know, but trying to dismiss what's going on in the MTG community as "just third party volunteers" misses that the minority community clearly saw it as a thing and saw that WOTC wasn't going to do anything about it. That's <em>absolutely </em>problematic and abusive, which is why a bunch of BIPOC Magic community members commented on it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You keep downplaying the stuff pointed out in the "strict media policy", like someone getting reprimanded for saying "Sorry, that's a local decision", which is not just having a strict media policy, but a draconian one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, unless you are a big corporation who has enough people to enforce a strict social media policy, which is what is described. I don't know why you are downplaying this so hard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd wager the opposite: the issues may already be there, but Hasbro as a much larger company is able to squelch such things with far greater force. Again, there are plenty of things just from the outside that are problematic that can be seen in their work. The Zak S. thing is perhaps one of the most notable, but the MTG articles describe poor handling of minority issues in general. </p><p></p><p>Remember that none of the stuff we are talking about with Paizo was visible from the outside before it broke; it's more likely that this stuff exists, and given that we have a bunch of minority community members saying it does maybe we should just believe them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8433860, member: 6778210"] No, my problem is that we can already see some of the stuff from Paizo in Wizards, but you are repeatedly downplaying or dismissing it. The "suppositions" minority members of the Magic Community are making are very similar to suppositions from Paizo as to why certain people were turned down for jobs and such. And you talk about "discriminatory decisions in contracts" when the document linked to absolutely shows how few BIPOC people work at Magic, as well as relaying the fact that it seems like minority people seem to miss out on jobs mysteriously. Combined with what happened with Orion, where they were hired but completely ignored to the point of having to beg for tasks to get involved... I'm not sure how that [I]not[/I] be looked at as discriminatory and abusive. If you can't recognize why what happened to Orion Black as being abusive and wrong, I'm not sure what else to say. You can't talk about discriminatory practices and write off being completely isolated at the workplace to such an extent that it has to be considered deliberate at some level. That's because you were told about Vic. Dismissive attitudes at the bottom often care from dismissive attitudes at the top. The fact of the matter is that we don't know, but trying to dismiss what's going on in the MTG community as "just third party volunteers" misses that the minority community clearly saw it as a thing and saw that WOTC wasn't going to do anything about it. That's [I]absolutely [/I]problematic and abusive, which is why a bunch of BIPOC Magic community members commented on it. You keep downplaying the stuff pointed out in the "strict media policy", like someone getting reprimanded for saying "Sorry, that's a local decision", which is not just having a strict media policy, but a draconian one. I mean, unless you are a big corporation who has enough people to enforce a strict social media policy, which is what is described. I don't know why you are downplaying this so hard. I'd wager the opposite: the issues may already be there, but Hasbro as a much larger company is able to squelch such things with far greater force. Again, there are plenty of things just from the outside that are problematic that can be seen in their work. The Zak S. thing is perhaps one of the most notable, but the MTG articles describe poor handling of minority issues in general. Remember that none of the stuff we are talking about with Paizo was visible from the outside before it broke; it's more likely that this stuff exists, and given that we have a bunch of minority community members saying it does maybe we should just believe them. [/QUOTE]
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