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<blockquote data-quote="Otterscrubber" data-source="post: 6810136" data-attributes="member: 4588"><p>I am a huge fan of 5e, did a good job of returning the game to a more "D&D" feel for me. I really like how 4e had the guts to try what felt like a whole new system, but it seemed to collapse under it's own weight after awhile. One of the innovations I did like was that there were only 3 saving throws and you had 2 abilities scores that would allow you to get a bonus.</p><p></p><p>Str/Con: Added to your Fort Save cuz you were just "tough" if you had a high score in either of these.</p><p></p><p>Int/Dex: You had a good reflex cuz you were just quick on your feet, either through natural talent or by just being aware of your surroundings.</p><p></p><p>Wis/Cha: You had a good Will Save because you were wise enough not to be fooled or had a strong personality that was hard to dominate.</p><p></p><p>Nowadays it's not so easy. This is very clear in the case of a Warlock I made. Has a high charisma as I wanted him to be charming, through both skill and spells. But Wisdom sadly became the "dump stat" here as I needed all his other abilities to be good as well. But now this warlock who uses a lot of charm spells and mind control now himself is almost powerless to make a Wisdom saving throw, which all charms are. So although this is his strength, for some reason he is also weak at this. Feel weird to me. Charisma is more than just how good you look, it is your force of personality, your willpower. Or so it has been defined. This comes up again and again for other characters and is the one thing I'd have to say I do not like about 5e. It's tough to have 6 decent saving throws, unless you have a paladin with a high charisma near you <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Otterscrubber, post: 6810136, member: 4588"] I am a huge fan of 5e, did a good job of returning the game to a more "D&D" feel for me. I really like how 4e had the guts to try what felt like a whole new system, but it seemed to collapse under it's own weight after awhile. One of the innovations I did like was that there were only 3 saving throws and you had 2 abilities scores that would allow you to get a bonus. Str/Con: Added to your Fort Save cuz you were just "tough" if you had a high score in either of these. Int/Dex: You had a good reflex cuz you were just quick on your feet, either through natural talent or by just being aware of your surroundings. Wis/Cha: You had a good Will Save because you were wise enough not to be fooled or had a strong personality that was hard to dominate. Nowadays it's not so easy. This is very clear in the case of a Warlock I made. Has a high charisma as I wanted him to be charming, through both skill and spells. But Wisdom sadly became the "dump stat" here as I needed all his other abilities to be good as well. But now this warlock who uses a lot of charm spells and mind control now himself is almost powerless to make a Wisdom saving throw, which all charms are. So although this is his strength, for some reason he is also weak at this. Feel weird to me. Charisma is more than just how good you look, it is your force of personality, your willpower. Or so it has been defined. This comes up again and again for other characters and is the one thing I'd have to say I do not like about 5e. It's tough to have 6 decent saving throws, unless you have a paladin with a high charisma near you :) [/QUOTE]
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