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<blockquote data-quote="Bront" data-source="post: 3090674" data-attributes="member: 19696"><p>First of all, please, if you quote something, keep the whole quote. Otherwise it takes it out of context and I have to search back to find out what I was saying, which makes it not only hard to argue, but, to me, makes it look like you are attempting to discredit my arguement by picking apart things out of context.</p><p></p><p>There are force effects that increase your touch AC, or at least are effective against some touch attacks. </p><p></p><p>The problem is, you're taking +1 normal and touch AC vs 1 opponent of your choice (that you are aware of) compaired to +1 normal AC (but not touch) all the time. You have assigned a very high value to touch AC, and while it's nice, it's the 1 vs many opponents that is at issue here. I think your assignment of that is realy too high, but EVEN if I were to say that these 2 abilities are even (And they're not), that you get the rest of the benifits of the feat make it unbalanced.</p><p></p><p>You dismiss the +1 normal AC because it's easier to get. That makes it no less useful. If you aren't dismissing it, then it I am misunderstanding you, but you seem to waive it off fairly easily.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's progression has minemal value. Honestly, most people take the feat as an entrance into a prestiege class.</p><p></p><p>Yes, but you quoted me, and you didn't address my comments about it, so i felt I had to explain a bit more. Comparing LAO to 2 Weapon Defense, LAO is significantly better because the AC bonus comes into use more often, AND it gives you more.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, it was brought up by Rystil in the Mithril Chain over Mithril Breast Plate. It was on the first page, and one of the first arguements.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Only light will ever allow an armor to actualy gain +1 AC, because the restrictions on heavier armors won't go low enough to get that AC bost over the ACP drop. Also, LAO effects mithril medium armors, so it gives you some added flexibility. MAO effects Medium and Mithril Heavy armors, meaning it's a bit better than HAO (since some of the more desired armors are mithril to reduced ACPs and weight, so it doesn't effect some armors). </p><p></p><p>Edit: Apparently there is no Heavy Armor Optimization feat. Also, A standard dwarf barbarian in medium armor still moves at speed 30, as the bonus happens after armor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bront, post: 3090674, member: 19696"] First of all, please, if you quote something, keep the whole quote. Otherwise it takes it out of context and I have to search back to find out what I was saying, which makes it not only hard to argue, but, to me, makes it look like you are attempting to discredit my arguement by picking apart things out of context. There are force effects that increase your touch AC, or at least are effective against some touch attacks. The problem is, you're taking +1 normal and touch AC vs 1 opponent of your choice (that you are aware of) compaired to +1 normal AC (but not touch) all the time. You have assigned a very high value to touch AC, and while it's nice, it's the 1 vs many opponents that is at issue here. I think your assignment of that is realy too high, but EVEN if I were to say that these 2 abilities are even (And they're not), that you get the rest of the benifits of the feat make it unbalanced. You dismiss the +1 normal AC because it's easier to get. That makes it no less useful. If you aren't dismissing it, then it I am misunderstanding you, but you seem to waive it off fairly easily. It's progression has minemal value. Honestly, most people take the feat as an entrance into a prestiege class. Yes, but you quoted me, and you didn't address my comments about it, so i felt I had to explain a bit more. Comparing LAO to 2 Weapon Defense, LAO is significantly better because the AC bonus comes into use more often, AND it gives you more. Yes, it was brought up by Rystil in the Mithril Chain over Mithril Breast Plate. It was on the first page, and one of the first arguements. Only light will ever allow an armor to actualy gain +1 AC, because the restrictions on heavier armors won't go low enough to get that AC bost over the ACP drop. Also, LAO effects mithril medium armors, so it gives you some added flexibility. MAO effects Medium and Mithril Heavy armors, meaning it's a bit better than HAO (since some of the more desired armors are mithril to reduced ACPs and weight, so it doesn't effect some armors). Edit: Apparently there is no Heavy Armor Optimization feat. Also, A standard dwarf barbarian in medium armor still moves at speed 30, as the bonus happens after armor. [/QUOTE]
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