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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7564380" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Updating <strong><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7508552#post7508552" target="_blank">Pilot Juggernaut Spell Working Draft</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p>Updating <strong><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7352359#post7352359" target="_blank">Activating A Guardian Juggernaut Working Draft</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p>Are we keeping the Material Component requirement?</p><p></p><p>How much should the mask focus cost?</p><p></p><p>I've added a Juggernaut Domain placeholder to the Activation Working Draft.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm more inclined to have the note say additional construct types are at the DM's discretion but give a rule-of-thumb for suggested CL. The posted examples suggest a rule of "double Challenge Rating and then subtract three" which would indicate a standard Clay Golem (CR 10) would require a CL 17th to pilot which seems in about the right ballpark.</p><p></p><p>That would mean a Shield Guardian (CR 8) needs CL 13, which seems a tad low - especially as the construction requirement is CL 15th.</p><p></p><p>How about:</p><p></p><p>At the DM's discretion, <em>pilot juggernaut</em> can be used to pilot other constructs. The caster level required to pilot a construct is normally either the construct's construction CL or the result of doubling the construct's Challenge Rating and subtracting three, whichever is higher. For example, a clay golem (CL 11th, CR 10) requires a caster level 17th <em>pilot juggernaut</em> (twice its CR 10 minus 3) while a shield guardian (CL 15th, CR 8) requires a caster level 15th <em>pilot juggernaut</em> (its CL). If the construct has some unusual traits that make it more or less effective as a piloted juggernaut the DM may want to increase or lower the required CL to compensate for its change in effectiveness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 7564380, member: 57383"] Updating [B][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7508552#post7508552"]Pilot Juggernaut Spell Working Draft[/URL][/B]. Updating [B][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7352359#post7352359"]Activating A Guardian Juggernaut Working Draft[/URL][/B]. Are we keeping the Material Component requirement? How much should the mask focus cost? I've added a Juggernaut Domain placeholder to the Activation Working Draft. I'm more inclined to have the note say additional construct types are at the DM's discretion but give a rule-of-thumb for suggested CL. The posted examples suggest a rule of "double Challenge Rating and then subtract three" which would indicate a standard Clay Golem (CR 10) would require a CL 17th to pilot which seems in about the right ballpark. That would mean a Shield Guardian (CR 8) needs CL 13, which seems a tad low - especially as the construction requirement is CL 15th. How about: At the DM's discretion, [I]pilot juggernaut[/I] can be used to pilot other constructs. The caster level required to pilot a construct is normally either the construct's construction CL or the result of doubling the construct's Challenge Rating and subtracting three, whichever is higher. For example, a clay golem (CL 11th, CR 10) requires a caster level 17th [I]pilot juggernaut[/I] (twice its CR 10 minus 3) while a shield guardian (CL 15th, CR 8) requires a caster level 15th [I]pilot juggernaut[/I] (its CL). If the construct has some unusual traits that make it more or less effective as a piloted juggernaut the DM may want to increase or lower the required CL to compensate for its change in effectiveness. [/QUOTE]
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