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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9338414" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>I think it is worthwhile to remember that the heyday of composite bows* were a decidedly different gameplay loop. All warrior-types needed as much Str and as much Dex as they could get*<em><em>, </em>everyone made do with what they had<em>**</em></em>, and pretty much everyone used both bow and sword. Just adding composite bows back into the game won't make the way they interacted with the rest of the game go back to being a thing. That's not really saying anything about this endeavor, I just want to set expectations.</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 10px">*I'm assuming AD&D for you if you don't have the 3e books</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 10px">**any weapon that granted a damage bonus did so through Str, you could get your full Dex bonus to AC even in field plate, etc.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 10px">*** and gauntlets of ogre power were plentiful and had no attunement slot cost.</span></em></p><p></p><p>The devs aren't always great about answering 'why' questions. However, I would guess that the primary drivers would include:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reducing granularity --2 bow types instead of 4, not having to search for a composite bow with the right str-max, etc.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Removing need for 2-attribute (+con) martials .</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Possibly seeming redundant alongside the basic new feature of dex-based weapons adding dex bonus to damage.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Many times, with many different implementations, depending on what specific quality you are hoping to encapsulate</p><p></p><p>Much like monsters, trying to apply direct formulaic conversion results in products that, while usable, definitely do not preserve the character/role/nuance the original had in the previous context in the new game's context.</p><p></p><p>I guess that if 1) composite bows were strictly better than other bows, and 2) that rangers continued to not want/get to run around in plate mail, then it would push bow-rangers into wanting to have both decent Dex and Str in a way they currently aren't pushed. Other than that, I'm not sure who it would negatively affect. I certainly do not think that was the reason for their removal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 9338414, member: 6799660"] I think it is worthwhile to remember that the heyday of composite bows* were a decidedly different gameplay loop. All warrior-types needed as much Str and as much Dex as they could get*[I][I], [/I]everyone made do with what they had[I]**[/I][/I], and pretty much everyone used both bow and sword. Just adding composite bows back into the game won't make the way they interacted with the rest of the game go back to being a thing. That's not really saying anything about this endeavor, I just want to set expectations. [I][SIZE=2]*I'm assuming AD&D for you if you don't have the 3e books **any weapon that granted a damage bonus did so through Str, you could get your full Dex bonus to AC even in field plate, etc. *** and gauntlets of ogre power were plentiful and had no attunement slot cost.[/SIZE][/I] The devs aren't always great about answering 'why' questions. However, I would guess that the primary drivers would include: [LIST] [*]Reducing granularity --2 bow types instead of 4, not having to search for a composite bow with the right str-max, etc. [*]Removing need for 2-attribute (+con) martials . [*]Possibly seeming redundant alongside the basic new feature of dex-based weapons adding dex bonus to damage. [/LIST] Many times, with many different implementations, depending on what specific quality you are hoping to encapsulate Much like monsters, trying to apply direct formulaic conversion results in products that, while usable, definitely do not preserve the character/role/nuance the original had in the previous context in the new game's context. I guess that if 1) composite bows were strictly better than other bows, and 2) that rangers continued to not want/get to run around in plate mail, then it would push bow-rangers into wanting to have both decent Dex and Str in a way they currently aren't pushed. Other than that, I'm not sure who it would negatively affect. I certainly do not think that was the reason for their removal. [/QUOTE]
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