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I think the point is that no changes are necessary to play a paladin in that way.

Yeah. The crusader orders are not what I would look to for inspiration on a D&D paladin in 2024, but they are definitely esential to the mythology from which the paladin has sprung. I could see a PC like that being a problem with some of my groups, but he would fit right in at others.

Once upon a time, that was how RPGs were commonly played. IMO, it's nice that we have moved away from that type of game, but every now and then I run into someone who enjoys a... well, a more adversarial role for DM/GM. Someone who waxes poetic about the good old days of save-less death traps...

It used to be. One of my favorite things about 5e was the disconnecting of Paladins from LG. You could ask 100 people to define each alignment, and you'd get 100 different answers. It made one table's perfect paladin another table's tale of how a paladin had fallen. As much as I enjoyed...

Good to see the old alignment arguments popping in on anything paladin related.

Updated Greyhawk is a great excuse for me to dig through old Dungeon Magazines. My wife and kids are not going to be happy. 🤣

I'm operating under the assumption that OP is the cleric, got dropped and is salty.

Red text in 3... 2...1...

This seems like a lot more work than just letting him change classes.

I appreciate you summing his behavior up for those of us who weren't around.

Wow. Dude is unhinged.

Oh, man. I hadn't even considered casters as endless artillery. Unless AoEs were extremely rare, armies wouldn't even exist. From a world building stand point this would be huge. I imagine there would be a lot of skirmishes and small group raids. Conflicts would be more personal. Of course, easy...

Based on OPs post, this looks more like modifications to an existing system. I assumed 5e, and I doubt I was the only one.

What all of those have in common is a cost. With unlimited casting that cost disappears.

You may have a point. If. Casters can sling their best spells at will, maybe martials shouldn't have to worry about HP.

I keep getting stuck on healing. Any heal spell becomes infinite healing between fights. I've thought of 2 possible fixes. The first was mentioned early in the thread, 4e style healing surges that are triggered by the spell, but only if you have uses left. The second, I find more elegant...

Ah, yes. The editions where wizards spent more loot on darts than they did on spell components.

With 7 players, I'd lean towards something heavy on social interaction, and light on combat and exploration. Social situations can involve more players at once, which limits down time for everyone. Maybe the PCs are part of a trade caravan. Some could be travelers or pilgrims that were adopted...

Skills. So much promise. So little follow through.

Well, shucks. I learned something today.