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D&D General What it means for a race to end up in the PHB, its has huge significance

EzekielRaiden

Follower of the Way
Goliaths were in 3.5 Races of Stone. They had a Powerful Build trait that made them count as Large where it was advantageous, so they were useful for some specific strength based builds, including making it easier to get into Hulking Hurler so you could throw moons around.
Alright. So they're also "new," but in more or less the way dragonborn were "new." Still a lot newer than tieflings.
 

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EzekielRaiden

Follower of the Way
Did they explode though? I know players are lay them but I question the notion that their visibility in settings has changed much.

Phandelver has no tieflings or Dragonborn. Saltmarsh had exactly one tiefling. Waterdeep Dragonheist has no tieflings or Dragonborn. Hoard of the Dragon Queen has neither appearing.

So on and so forth.

For all the noise about having them in the phb, they’ve made pretty much zero impact on settings.
I believe they're referring to their PC representation. Which, yes, objectively dragonborn have exploded in popularity since the days of mid-3.5e, when they were an obscure racial template (or, rather, a pair thereof, one for Bahamut and the other for Tiamat.)
 

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
it's not one they are going to budge on, so I don't think they addressed it further. Now you can make your character any sort of hybrid you want, call them what you want, and just pick which species they will take features from. But also, species have a significantly smaller impact on character creation now, so it's less of a big deal.

So you disagree with the thread premise?
 

Mecheon

Sacabambaspis
Alright. So they're also "new," but in more or less the way dragonborn were "new." Still a lot newer than tieflings.
The Goliath statblock in Races of Stone was, in of itself, a setting neutral version of the 3E half giant that removed the psionics for suvival stuff, and there's a good argument it was also another attempt at doing a more player friendly half-ogre, so it does have a fairly sizeable legacy if that's counted
 

Clint_L

Legend
So you disagree with the thread premise?
I don't follow. I was referring to the new policy re. hybrid species. Will there be less of those particular combinations? I'm sure there will be. Will there be more characters of hybrid parentage overall? Maybe, but I doubt it. I think it'll just be less of a thing overall. Which is good. It's kind of a cringey thing to focus on, singling out two particular combinations, calling them "half-X" and treating them like their mixed parentage is the most important thing about them.
 
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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Right. I guess we will see, but we never really heard what they thought of the feedback they received on that topic from what I recall.
Right, though they haven't enumerated the Species and confirmed no Half-Elves nor Half-Orcs.
I hope that it'll be better than the UA version.
Quite possibly, we'll see. I don't see any way they contine "half-X" language in the Century of the Fruitbat
 

pukunui

Legend
Phandelver has no tieflings or Dragonborn. Saltmarsh had exactly one tiefling. Waterdeep Dragonheist has no tieflings or Dragonborn. Hoard of the Dragon Queen has neither appearing.
IIRC Dragon Heist has at least one dragonborn (in the winter track).

Hoard may not have tieflings or dragonborn, but it does have severa half-dragons, and Rise of Tiamat has tieflings.
 

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
I don't follow. I was referring to the new policy re. hybrid species. Will there be less of those particular combinations? I'm sure there will be. Will there be more characters of hybrid parentage overall? Maybe, but I doubt it. I think it'll just be less of a thing overall. Which is good. It's kind of a cringey thing to focus on, singling out two particular combinations, calling them "half-X" and treating them like their mixed parentage is a the most important thing about them.
You said species doesn't really matter much anymore. The premise of the thread is inclusion of a race in the PHB has huge significance.
 

Horwath

Legend
Personally, we do not need anything but fantasy core 4 races: to make it simpler
Human,
Elf,
Dwarf,
Orc,

Being slightly small(halfling, gnome), can be a trait with bonuses and penalties:
I.E:
small(er):
drop weapon damage die by one step or cannot use Heavy weapons(whatever works)
limit on grappling lowered by one step as normal mechanics.
-5ft move speed(smaller legs)
+1 AC(smaller target, more difficult to hit)

Large(er): as half-giant, goliath, maybe even Orc
increase weapon damage die by one step.
+5ft move speed
-1 AC


Aasimar, tiefling, shifter, warforged, dhampir, dragonborn, changeling, can be just templates that add to core 4, so everyone of those are different to eachother.
It can be 1st level feat for power budget sake, maybe with 4th level feat with +1 ASI and something, something if that is too powerful to gain at 1st level or going out of bounds for a full feat at 1st level.
 

Tieflings were popular before they made it into the PHB.

Dragonborn remain rare even though they have been in the PHB for a couple of editions. I have never seen a PC Dragonborn and NPCs are few and far between.

I see lots of orcs and warforged PCs.

I expect we will see a lot of new players asking “where are the gith?”
 

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