D&D (2024) Greyhawk Confirmed. Tell Me Why.

MGibster · May 15, 2024

I remember my character wishing for an 18 Strength and the DM giving me a Psionic Strenghth of 18. Good times.

Reynard · May 15, 2024

Yaarel said:
In the Monster Manuals of every edition of D&D, psionics is CORE.

In three editions of the Players Handbook it is mentioned as existing.

Psionics is D&D CORE.

I think it is a stretch to say that the fact that there are monsters that do psychic damage means that psionics, as a system, are core in every edition.

Mirrorrorrim · May 15, 2024

RedSquirrel said:
Simply disliking something doesn't mean it's not authentic.
Simply not using a thing in your own game doesn't mean it's not authentic.
Neither of those mean it's not core.
It seems they're defining "authentic" as being core, because they're listing "optional" books like the Complete Psionics Handbook (2e) or Psionics Handbook, Expanded Psionics Handbook, or the Complete Psionic (3e).

Additionally, "authentic" is an opinion, at best.

The tone was that it was vital and non-optional and must be accepted. I refuted that, and was clear what I meant even if people were defining words differently.

RedSquirrel · May 15, 2024

billd91 said:
Psionics may have appeared in some core books, but they were explicitly optional

So were encumbrance, group initiative, individual initiative, weapon speed, weapon type vs armor type, parrying rules, and a gazillion other things that were in the PH.

Optional doesn't mean they're not there in a core book. And if you're saying a core book isn't core, then I would suggest we're having two different conversations.

Demetrios1453 · May 15, 2024

SteveC said:
We're seeing the problems with Greyhawk right here. It makes me think "Be careful what you wish for," to all the people who've been clamoring for Greyhawk. I think the way to make people happy is to just open it up in the DM's Guild.

Greyhawk was created in the 70s, and a lot of material for it hasn't gotten much update since then. The priorities of Gary and TSR back then are completely different than WotC in 2024. The best example I can think of is that many parts of Greyhawk are directly inspired by real-world nations and histories. Back when I was a kid, it inspired me to learn more about those countries. That isn't the way game design works now. There tends to be much more of a mash-up or no direct connection at all. And I know many of the cultural references will be dated and upsetting to a lot of people.

If WotC is going to present Greyhawk in 2024, it is going to be a completely different tone than the way it was presented in the 70s. If you go back and look at the Shackled City AP, you'll see that there's really nothing about it that couldn't be set in the Realms or other worlds entirely. That's the way an in-depth exploration of Greyhawk would go in 2024.

I think you're overestimating what's going to be in the chapter. It probably just going to be bare-bones info. There's probably going to be very little "tone" involved.

EDIT: actually, from further responses, it looks like a lot of posters are overestimating what we're going to see in this chapter.

Micah Sweet · May 15, 2024

Paul Farquhar said:
Aside from looking dated and rather silly now?

Some people think it is intended to be historical, and object to anything that doesn’t gel with their idea of history. Much better to make it clearly fantasy.

Seems clearly fantasy to me.

Micah Sweet · May 15, 2024

Reynard said:
The point is, most versions of "fantasy Aztecs, but they are orcs!" is garbage and settings that rely on that stuff are outmoded and should be altered or, better, scrapped.

I'd rather something be left behind as a historical reference than altered to fit what the cultural zeitgeist wants. Every time. Make new stuff if you want better stuff.

CleverNickName · May 15, 2024

@Yaarel is right, Psionics are D&D Core. I'm not sure why we're arguing about it, though. It would be a great topic for another thread ("Psionics Are D&D Core. Why Does That Matter To You?") but it's kind of derailing this thread.

RedSquirrel · May 15, 2024

CleverNickName said:
... but it's kind of derailing this thread.

Yep! Absolutely! Sooooooo ... about that Greyhawk thing ...

Yaarel · May 15, 2024

CleverNickName said:
@Yaarel is right, Psionics are D&D Core. I'm not sure why we're arguing about it, though. It would be a great topic for another thread ("Psionics Are D&D Core. Why Does That Matter To You?") but it's kind of derailing this thread.

Psionics is CORE ... in Greyhawk!

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