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D&D (2024) Comeliness and Representation in Recent DnD Art

MGibster

Legend
Yes you would hear that. There was a famous case on TV, 60 minutes or sonething, going over people born as eunics, none, and hermaphrodites, both sets of sexual organs, and other abnonalities and birth defects like conjoined twins. People knew they existed.
All I can say is that your experience of the 1990s and mine were two very different things. But I guess there's no point in dwelling on that. If you don't see why some people might have connected to Tieflings in a way others didn't, well, I don't know what to say. Bit back in 1997, the most popular representation of a person who wasn't a male or female would have been Pat from Saturday Night live.
 

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Incenjucar

Legend
All I can say is that your experience of the 1990s and mine were two very different things. But I guess there's no point in dwelling on that. If you don't see why some people might have connected to Tieflings in a way others didn't, well, I don't know what to say. Bit back in 1997, the most popular representation of a person who wasn't a male or female would have been Pat from Saturday Night live.
Depends on the kinds of cultural exposure you have, and the internet is a heck of a bridge to new ideas.

In the mid-90s I did a character survey for an online RP space with about five different gender options, and I ended up giving a presentation on pronouns for linguistics class a few years later. Of course I was watching Ranma 1/2 before then, and deeply interested in mythology, so it wasn't much of a learning curve.
 

LesserThan

Explorer
Depends on the kinds of cultural exposure you have, and the internet is a heck of a bridge to new ideas.

In the mid-90s I did a character survey for an online RP space with about five different gender options, and I ended up giving a presentation on pronouns for linguistics class a few years later. Of course I was watching Ranma 1/2 before then, and deeply interested in mythology, so it wasn't much of a learning curve.
I am sure you learned not to overuse shampoo. :)
 

LesserThan

Explorer
1997 non-binary wasn't really a concept understood by many, and I can read that sentence is ambiguous between gender identity or biological sex. Certainly one interpretation is that because Tieflings are "mutants" being Intersex is possibly more common than Humans, including the type of Intersex (Intersex can refer to people that have different chromosomes than what their body type is associated with) that's described by the no longer accepted term "hermaphrodite".
If it wasnt a concept then, then why try to apply modern definitions to it?

Likewise, this "intersex" term, I have never heard applied to the 2 things I am speaking of. I mean people literally born with neither or both sets of sex organs, funtioning or not. Nothing about chromosomes or what causes it, but actual physical organs, things non doctors would see in the shower room at Planet Fitness. What is the new non medical, or laymens term for that?
 

If it wasnt a concept then, then why try to apply modern definitions to it?

Likewise, this "intersex" term, I have never heard applied to the 2 things I am speaking of. I mean people literally born with neither or both sets of sex organs, funtioning or not. Nothing about chromosomes or what causes it, but actual physical organs, things non doctors would see in the shower room at Planet Fitness. What is the new non medical, or laymens term for that?
Intersex is the modern umbrella term which things like "Hermaphrodite" falls under, but it also includes things like being born with different chromosomes or hormones than what ones body type generally has, it's more of a scientific term, and is the "I" in LGBTQI.
 

LesserThan

Explorer
Intersex is the modern umbrella term which things like "Hermaphrodite" falls under, but it also includes things like being born with different chromosomes or hormones than what ones body type generally has, it's more of a scientific term, and is the "I" in LGBTQI.
I hate umbrella terms, they rarely give enough information and cause more confusion than they are worth like "labels". They are like "branding". :(
 

All I can say is that your experience of the 1990s and mine were two very different things. But I guess there's no point in dwelling on that. If you don't see why some people might have connected to Tieflings in a way others didn't, well, I don't know what to say. Bit back in 1997, the most popular representation of a person who wasn't a male or female would have been Pat from Saturday Night live.
I suspect that for Colin McComb, it might have been Genesis P Orridge of Throbbing Gristle, given that McComb is into Industrial Music.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Because back in 1997, you wouldn't hear very many people say that humans could be none or both when it comes to gender.
Given the quote talks about “at birth,” I’m pretty sure it’s actually talking about sex, not gender, and saying that Tieflings are more often intersex than humans.
 


Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
If it wasnt a concept then, then why try to apply modern definitions to it?
Because nonbinary people still existed then, they just didn’t get discussed much and there wasn’t a commonly-used term to describe them. Now we have that term, we are more easily able to talk about the people it describes; past, present, and future.
Likewise, this "intersex" term, I have never heard applied to the 2 things I am speaking of. I mean people literally born with neither or both sets of sex organs, funtioning or not.
Those are both intersex conditions. Intersex just means having combinations of sexual characteristics outside the two most typical modalities.
Nothing about chromosomes or what causes it, but actual physical organs, things non doctors would see in the shower room at Planet Fitness.
Friend, what do you think causes a person’s sex organs to develop (or not develop) that way in eutero? It’s hormones, which are determined primarily by the person’s chromosomes.
What is the new non medical, or laymens term for that?
Intersex is the general term. There are a ton of different intersex conditions (all of which are very rare of course), and there are specific medical terms for each of them.
 
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