D&D General No More Baldur's Gate From Larion: Team Is 'Elated'

Henadic Theologian · Mar 22, 2024

Zardnaar said:
Well it means someone else can also mess up your game. Eh bugs in DLC breaks your game.

Some studios have farmed out dlc work to others but WotC atm doesn't have the required talent or reputation.

Actually Larian studios did try and farm out a divinity game to another company after DOS2, but for some reason it didn't work out.

So I suspect Swen has no problem with WotC doing a DLC for BG3 and he even said the characters and BG3 itself belongs to WotC. How that happened
I don't know, but I suspect WotC will throw one or more of its studios at it or even start or buy a new one for it, perhaps create a Forgotten Realms studios or Baldur's Gate Studios. Maybe hire some Ex-Larian employees.

I don't think WotC wants to share BG3 now that it has its grubby hands on it.

Staffan · Mar 23, 2024

Burnside said:
My take:

- While it's certainly plausible that Larian is walking away from D&D because of something stupid/greedy that WotC did, that's not necessarily true. Larian is a private company, and Vinke has a history of doing what he wants to do - and also, while profit is important to him, that's not the sole or even primary motive for his business moves. Larian could be walking away for reasons that do, do in part, or don't at all have to do with anything WotC did.

There were probably many issues leading Larian to prefer going their own way. But having all the people they had worked with over at Wizards get laid off probably didn't help.

Burnside said:
- BG3 is a huge, huge improvement on DoS 1 & 2, and frankly I don't even see how that is in question. And yes, it's because BG3's D&D-based mechanics are WAY better than the mechanics in DoS, and also the writing in BG3 is better, and, thirdly, cinematic dialogue scenes. The fact that Vinke thinks DoS had "better" mechanics than BG3 is worrying.

I, for one, like the mechanics in DoS2 (at least in the Definitive edition – I understand the original version had some issues). I like being able to choose from a number of different combat skills and have them provide different active abilities. I like having cooldowns be the primary balancing factor to those abilities, rather than spell slots or mana. I like how terrain, both in terms of elevation and various surface/cloud effects change things and also interact with your abilities.

Azzy · Mar 23, 2024

Ruin Explorer said:
Yeah I don't think they actually will roll, though, because the responsibility here is too diffuse. Larian aren't angry with a specific individual but with the way WotC/Hasbro operate, and the people who make the decisions about that are far above being fired, indeed they probably have contracts that amount to, short of gross misconduct, you have to pay out millions to get them to leave.

Is that even a thing?

Zardnaar · Mar 23, 2024

Henadic Theologian said:
Actually Larian studios did try and farm out a divinity game to another company after DOS2, but for some reason it didn't work out.

So I suspect Swen has no problem with WotC doing a DLC for BG3 and he even said the characters and BG3 itself belongs to WotC. How that happened
I don't know, but I suspect WotC will throw one or more of its studios at it or even start or buy a new one for it, perhaps create a Forgotten Realms studios or Baldur's Gate Studios. Maybe hire some Ex-Larian employees.

I don't think WotC wants to share BG3 now that it has its grubby hands on it.

Those WotC studios that have no experience on AAA games, games in general and have produced essentially nothing?

With no experience, artistic vision, game project management, or game engine available and probably 200 odd million required to do it. That WotC?

Azzy · Mar 23, 2024

bert1001 fka bert1000 said:
That said, it has kind of grown on me by looking at it as if this is a bunch of 12 year olds playing D&D , with bad banter and a first attempt at piecing together a story!

"Kneel now, rise later."

MNblockhead · Mar 23, 2024

MGibster said:
I don't need an expansion. BG3 was a great game, and it had an emotionally satisfying ending(s), so I don't really need to pick up at the end and continue with my merry band of adventurers.

I feel exactly the same. I don't even want to replay it, even though I absolutely loved it.

The Witcher games are the same for me.

Skyrim, on the other hand, I replayed many times and bought and played all of the official DLCs. I also played around a lot with mods.
I don't play enough videos games, or read about them enough, to have put my finger on the reasons why Skyrim was so different for me. I think the stories were both generic enough, yet interesting enough that it could still feel fresh when replaying. But it may just have been due to the fact that I handn't played any computer games for a long time, so Skyrim blew me away. I also had more time on my hands when I got into it. It'll be interesting to see whether I play through the next Elder Scroll game more than once.

BovineofWar · Mar 23, 2024

Zardnaar said:
Those WotC studios that have no experience on AAA games, games in general and have produced essentially nothing?

With no experience, artistic vision, game project management, or game engine available and probably 200 odd million required to do it. That WotC?

Archetype Entertainment is a fully owned subsidiary of WotC, founded by BioWare veterans James Ohlen and Drew Karpyshyn, of the Baldur's Gate 2 fame. I can't find stats on how big they are, but they have Certain Affinity as co-developer, so that's 250+ people working on their first title. So at the very least they have experience, artistic vision, and project manage, along with a hefty budget!

Does that mean their next games will be any good? Who knows, we know how well Invoke Studios did with Dark Alliance...

Zardnaar · Mar 23, 2024

BovineofWar said:
Archetype Entertainment is a fully owned subsidiary of WotC, founded by BioWare veterans James Ohlen and Drew Karpyshyn, of the Baldur's Gate 2 fame. I can't find stats on how big they are, but they have Certain Affinity as co-developer, so that's 250+ people working on their first title. So at the very least they have experience, artistic vision, and project manage, along with a hefty budget!

Does that mean their next games will be any good? Who knows, we know how well Invoke Studios did with Dark Alliance...

Drew is an author he basically does the writing. He wrote for Star Wars and maybe Mass Effect iirc.

What product has archetype released successfully?

Vincent55 · Mar 23, 2024

I was hoping for more BG3 content and a GM mode to make my own adventures

Henadic Theologian · Mar 23, 2024

Zardnaar said:
Drew is an author he basically does the writing. He wrote for Star Wars and maybe Mass Effect iirc.

What product has archetype released successfully?

They are about to release Exodus, the time dialation Intersellar meets Mass Effect like game in 2025.

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