GnomeWorks
Adventurer
Pretty sure E6 did that.
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D&D 5E If "Extra Attack" Was A Feat, What Would Its Prerequisites Be?
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Vaalingrade
Legend
And this wild offtopic ride is about whether something that isn't in any way a feat tree in the existent game is or isn't a feat tree and then the goalposts lurched violently and collided with Mercury.
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
<pedantic> If 40% make their save, and 60% fail, then it should actually by 28 x 0.8, or 22.4 average per target. </pedantic>
Depends on the circumstances of the feat. If the feat was just fireball 1/LR, no +1 ASI, I wouldn't take it on most characters.
Vaalingrade
Legend
Did you think that prestige classes in Dungeons and Dragons Third Edition and its successors Dungeons and Dragons Three Point Five and Pathfinder, which are the predecessors to Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition's subclasses were also quote 'the same thing' as feat trees, which have already been proven to in no way be and I quote again 'the same thing as feat trees'.
Vaalingrade
Legend
And me.
And Pathfinder 2.
Feats are basically WotC's prodigy child that they only talk to on holidays while telling them how Advantage got promoted to manager down at the gas station (only took 10 years and five mysterious co-worker deaths) and bounded Accuracy is sleeping on their girlffriend's couch instead of the one in the basement now.
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
In a game with 3e/5e style level by level multiclassing, classes are just long feat trees.
Vaalingrade
Legend
So now levels are the same as feats? Okay, I'm done. I don't have the medication for this conversation.
Gladius Legis
Legend
I will always push back against caster supremacy, and doubly so against proposals that EXACERBATE that problem. The disrespect was 100% intentional. Cope.
Hawk Diesel
Adventurer
Some people like that, and consider it a feature rather than a bug. You don't have to like it for someone else to have fun with it. No one's forcing you to play by rules that you don't like. You don't like this table, then don't participate and DBAD.
Yaarel
He-Mage
The reason why I despise 3e prestige classes is because they were horribly convoluted with obscure worthless prereqs. And after the hazing became stupidly powerful.
The prestige classes were broken underpowered at low levels during the hazing, then broken overpowered during the high levels.
Meanwhile it required deep system mastery to even figure out within the convoluted synergy what was worthless and what was stupidly broken.
Worst of all! Making all of those worthless aspects of 3e actual requirements entangled everything together. So it became IMPOSSIBLE to fix the worthless crap without making the convoluted builds even more stupidly broken.
For 5e prestige subclasses it is its own design space. A feat is a feat. Dont play around with stupid convoluted prereqs.
A level prereq is often necessary. An obvious prereq, like having the Eldritch Blast cantrip before getting a feat to augment it, is ok. That is pretty much it. Normally, stay away from any other kind of prereq.
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