Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
That's true. They did make it an edition, though, so it has to be included in the list of editions.
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TwoSix
"Diegetics", by L. Ron Gygax
I agree. It's just something we would have argued about if this forum had been around in 1989.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
I never heard about 2.5e when we played it. I actually did not realize there was a first edition before. For us it was always just AD&D.
I was confused when we played "stronghold" back then and elf and halflings were classes...
So even though we were total nerdy players, all that knowledge was just so obscure for us.
And probably for most players out there, however we name it just does not matter.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Sure. If your table wants to call 5.5e "jojo Plays Baseball," go for it. On the individual and table levels of the game the names don't matter at all. However, when discussing in a larger group like an online forum which versions are an edition and which are not, names and designations do matter to that discussion.
AD&D has had 5 and only 5 editions. Basic and it's various lines were not editions of AD&D, so they do not count towards the edition numbers. Similarly, the expansions/half editions were not editions and do not count towards the edition numbers.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
But it does not matter if it is just 5e with errata/updates, 5.5e, 6e, D&D 2024. We had two precedents for roughly the amount of changes we are presented now: 1e -> 2e and 3.0 -> 3.5e
So calling it D&D 2024 is at least factually correct. The other three options are more an individual preference.
Or D&D 10^3 + 2^10
Or D&D 1000(10) + 10000000000(2)
Or D&D 1000(10) + 400(16)
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TwoSix
"Diegetics", by L. Ron Gygax
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
It does matter. D&D 2024 gets rid of 5e and there would be no current numbered edition of the game. 6e creates a new numbered edition. 5.5e is the only truly accurate name there as it keeps the edition numbering intact, and since what we have seen isn't even remotely close to being a new edition, 6e would be a bad name for it. Further, D&D 2024 will cause confusion since it is no longer 5e, but is functionally the same game as 5e. Creating confusion in your players is bad. 5.5e is accurate and creates no confusion.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
I agree with you that it is rather 5.5e than 6e.
I agree.
I think my players are even less confused if we still call it 5e (revised). Only one of them remembers that there was 3.5.
A few of my players have not been born when 3.x was an edition. So it certainly does not help them at all if we call it 5.5.
All they know is D&D (5e) and as I told you in my post before: when I was their age, we really were not aware tgere is something else or was something else.
So whatever it is called, it will be D&D for them.
Echohawk
Shirokinukatsukami fan
I appreciate the enthusiasm in that very absolute claim, but...
This 1999 product:
- Has a rules system clearly developed from the AD&D 2nd Edition rules (so it isn't excluded by your insistence that Basic and its offshoots don't count).
- Also has a rules system that isn't quite the same as AD&D 2nd Edition or 3rd Edition, but a weird hybrid of both. It is its own thing.
- Calls itself the D&D Diablo II Edition right there on the box!
If you would rather now adjust your stated criteria for an edition so that your absolute claim remains true, turn to page 87.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Sure, but it's a different iteration of D&D like basic was.I appreciate the enthusiasm in that very absolute claim, but...
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This 1999 product:
If you accept that this obscure product disproves your absolute claim, turn to page 103.
- Has a rules system clearly developed from the AD&D 2nd Edition rules (so it isn't excluded by your insistence that Basic and its offshoots don't count).
- Also has a rules system that isn't quite the same as AD&D 2nd Edition or 3rd Edition, but a weird hybrid of both. It is its own thing.
- Calls itself the D&D Diablo II Edition right there on the box!
If you would rather now adjust your stated criteria for an edition so that your absolute claim remains true, turn to page 87.
It's not a numbered edition of AD&D.
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