As I recall, an 18/00 Strength in 2e was considered a 23 or something by the the conversion guide, which our DM balked at when we went to convert our old warriors.
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Zardnaar
Legend
It's more like an 18 or 20.
If it was 3.5 it maps roughly to am 18 using power attack. 3.0 it's +3/+5 with power attack vs +3/+6 in 2E.
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
Hey, if you'd managed to roll a natural 18 for Strength, and then a natural 100 for exceptional Strength, it seemed fair enough to have that be converted over as something similarly over the top.
FitzTheRuke
Legend
When I first HEARD of Skill Challenges (on this site, which did wonderful 4e-spoilers ahead of release!) I ran some really, really great ones.
Then the 4e books came out, and I tried to run them by the "official" rules. They were A LOT harder to run well by the book than they were just using the basic concept and winging it. This remained true for most of 4e's run, IMO - skill challenges as presented in the adventures were often not very good.
Which wasn't to say that there was anything at all wrong with the concept, or that a good DM couldn't run a GREAT skill challenge!
I still really like the core idea. Much like I like the recent UA's Bastion System and the current 5e Downtime rules. I like the IDEA of them, I just don't like how the books present them.
4e's Math is an interesting topic. On the one hand, 4e had a great Mathematical Structure to its rules. On the other, the Numbers were almost always off. Even by the End (where things were MUCH MUCH better) the Monsters were much more fun to fight when you knocked down their HP and knocked up their Damage.
And this is coming from a guy who thinks that 4e Monster design was generally much better than any other edition's. Again, the details were off, but the main thrust was spot-on.
Go go conversion guide!
Here's the chart from the 3E conversion guide:
Exceptional Score => New Strength Score
18/01–18/50 => 19
18/51–18/75 => 20
18/76 –18/90 => 21
18/91–18/99 => 22
18/00 => 23
19–20 => 24
21–22 => 25
22–23 => 26
24–25 => 27
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
Oh, don't get me wrong - I wasn't implying anything as to its quality. My point was more that it was issued at all, and that they made a slightly-biggish deal of letting people know it existed.
The ability scores would port, though I don't remember if 4e allowed ability scores to get into the 30s like 3e did.
Would all the feats etc. fit into the AEDU model or would it take some shoehorning? (I ask as 3e-->4e is not a conversion I've ever tried doing)
We technically had Ninjas, who had strictly worse sneak attack for some reason.
overgeeked
B/X Known World
Exactly. The implementation of skill challenges sucked, but the loose idea of clocks, because that's what they are, is amazingly useful.
